WEBVTT 00:00:24.946 --> 00:00:26.031 Whoa! 00:00:42.172 --> 00:00:44.132 Can't even pull you up. I'm coming down. 00:00:44.174 --> 00:00:45.967 And then I tell her I'm moving up to Wrexham, 00:00:46.051 --> 00:00:47.343 like, what the *? 00:00:47.385 --> 00:00:49.387 It seems Rob, Ryan, and Phil Parkinson 00:00:49.471 --> 00:00:51.890 have worked some magic with their record-breaking signing 00:00:51.931 --> 00:00:54.100 of 6'5" striker Ollie Palmer. 00:00:54.142 --> 00:00:56.644 With a whopping price of ££300,000, 00:00:56.728 --> 00:00:58.271 Palmer is coming down two tiers 00:00:58.313 --> 00:01:00.774 from League One's Wimbledon AFC. 00:01:00.815 --> 00:01:02.525 The big man is sure to invigorate 00:01:02.609 --> 00:01:04.986 Parkinson's squad and bring some much-needed physicality 00:01:04.986 --> 00:01:06.696 to the top of the pitch. 00:01:42.565 --> 00:01:43.900 - Thank you. 00:01:45.026 --> 00:01:47.070 Yeah, yeah. 00:01:47.153 --> 00:01:48.780 - Here? - Yeah, thank you. 00:01:54.536 --> 00:01:56.454 - Well, you're on that. You're on it. 00:02:01.835 --> 00:02:02.877 Thank you very much. 00:02:48.381 --> 00:02:49.799 Well, hello and welcome 00:02:49.883 --> 00:02:51.009 to the Racecourse. 00:02:51.092 --> 00:02:52.802 Welcome to Wrexham here. 00:02:52.844 --> 00:02:56.306 And a match made massive not only by the factor 00:02:56.347 --> 00:02:58.683 Wrexham and Grimsby are ancient rivals, 00:02:58.766 --> 00:03:01.352 but also by the arrival of Ollie Palmer 00:03:01.394 --> 00:03:03.897 and the main team news of Wrexham. 00:03:03.980 --> 00:03:05.565 Well, I say the main team news... 00:04:26.396 --> 00:04:27.438 By the keeper-- 00:04:30.525 --> 00:04:32.110 Wrexham take the lead! 00:04:32.193 --> 00:04:33.319 On his debut... 00:04:51.921 --> 00:04:53.172 And away you go. 00:04:55.842 --> 00:04:57.677 This is the furniture knife, innit? 00:04:59.137 --> 00:05:00.888 I'm a pro at this now. 00:05:06.227 --> 00:05:07.353 Well, I was. 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:11.399 Hope they're nice. 00:05:13.651 --> 00:05:15.820 We have had a slow start this season. 00:05:15.862 --> 00:05:18.239 With the complete overhaul of players 00:05:18.323 --> 00:05:20.283 and the new gaffer, it's a process. 00:05:20.366 --> 00:05:21.534 It takes time. 00:05:21.576 --> 00:05:23.286 It's got something underneath, though. 00:05:23.369 --> 00:05:24.370 It says "empty box." I'm gonna pull that-- 00:05:24.454 --> 00:05:25.705 That's probably just, uh... 00:05:25.747 --> 00:05:27.832 - Pull it off? - To keep it stable. 00:05:27.915 --> 00:05:29.584 The ultimate goal is promotion. 00:05:29.667 --> 00:05:30.918 The easiest way of getting that 00:05:30.960 --> 00:05:32.086 is winning the league, 00:05:32.170 --> 00:05:34.380 so I'd love to take Wrexham to that level. 00:05:34.422 --> 00:05:36.299 And it allows me to stay at home 00:05:36.382 --> 00:05:37.425 and 00:05:38.384 --> 00:05:39.427 build a future. 00:05:39.719 --> 00:05:41.137 - Yeah. - Yeah? 00:05:41.179 --> 00:05:43.639 It's getting there. 00:05:49.354 --> 00:05:50.855 - Mm-hmm, yeah. 00:05:50.897 --> 00:05:52.482 Me and Kelsey met in school at 15, 00:05:52.523 --> 00:05:54.442 and ever since then, we've been together. 00:05:54.525 --> 00:05:55.860 Been a great ride for both of us. 00:05:55.902 --> 00:05:57.070 We've been away from each other, 00:05:57.153 --> 00:05:58.446 we've been together, 00:05:58.529 --> 00:06:00.573 and now we've moved back here together. 00:06:00.615 --> 00:06:01.783 It's great that 00:06:01.908 --> 00:06:03.326 I can share my life with Kels 00:06:03.409 --> 00:06:05.203 and she can vice versa. 00:06:06.454 --> 00:06:07.955 When we found out 00:06:07.997 --> 00:06:09.457 that I was pregnant, 00:06:09.499 --> 00:06:10.666 we were really happy. 00:06:10.750 --> 00:06:13.711 We had a miscarriage during COVID. 00:06:14.045 --> 00:06:17.131 So I find out we were pregnant... 00:06:17.173 --> 00:06:18.716 it was extra special. 00:06:20.259 --> 00:06:21.677 We're in a good place. 00:06:21.719 --> 00:06:23.054 We're getting and we're building on our future 00:06:23.096 --> 00:06:25.390 and it is a good time and long may it continue. 00:06:25.431 --> 00:06:27.892 And hopefully with Wrexham, I can bring my best game, 00:06:27.934 --> 00:06:29.268 fulfill potential, 00:06:29.310 --> 00:06:31.020 and take us up the leagues. 00:06:42.824 --> 00:06:43.866 How do you explain it? 00:06:59.632 --> 00:07:02.760 January transfer window shut yesterday, 00:07:02.844 --> 00:07:04.804 and it was probably a successful one for us. 00:07:15.273 --> 00:07:16.524 And when that does all click, 00:07:16.607 --> 00:07:19.485 I think we'll almost become unstoppable in the league. 00:07:19.527 --> 00:07:22.572 I'm so determined to bring this town success. 00:07:22.655 --> 00:07:24.240 I'm trying everything 00:07:24.282 --> 00:07:25.283 that I can 00:07:25.408 --> 00:07:26.409 to do that. 00:07:26.409 --> 00:07:28.786 And, yeah, it's gonna be an exciting last 18 games. 00:07:28.870 --> 00:07:29.954 A right battle 00:07:30.037 --> 00:07:31.414 at the top of the National League. 00:07:35.209 --> 00:07:36.335 Hayden. 00:07:37.086 --> 00:07:38.421 Beaten to the ball there by Grimes. 00:07:38.504 --> 00:07:40.298 Reece Hall-Johnson. 00:07:40.381 --> 00:07:41.841 In to Luke Young, out to Liam McAlinden. 00:07:41.924 --> 00:07:43.676 He's made a difference since coming on. 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:45.470 Puts the ball into the box. It's a great ball. 00:07:45.511 --> 00:07:47.597 And it's in the back post, and what a save. 00:07:47.638 --> 00:07:50.475 Goes across goal, and it's Ollie Palmer! 00:07:50.516 --> 00:07:53.227 He's got it in that time and Wrexham take the lead! 00:07:55.855 --> 00:07:57.982 What a moment for Wrexham! 00:08:06.449 --> 00:08:09.452 It's Wrexham 1, Chesterfield 0. 00:08:09.535 --> 00:08:12.955 You cannot give Ollie Palmer a second opportunity on goal! 00:08:15.041 --> 00:08:15.875 - Whoo! Beautiful! 00:08:16.334 --> 00:08:17.502 And it's the Red Dragons 00:08:17.585 --> 00:08:19.504 who fire ahead 00:08:19.921 --> 00:08:21.839 at the Technique Stadium! 00:08:26.302 --> 00:08:27.136 And the technique's there. 00:08:27.220 --> 00:08:28.387 And ball's gone in. 00:08:31.057 --> 00:08:34.268 And it's in! 00:08:34.352 --> 00:08:36.062 The goal's been given and Wrexham are in! 00:08:36.103 --> 00:08:37.939 The lead, again, is 2-0! 00:08:48.366 --> 00:08:49.659 And that is full time 00:08:49.700 --> 00:08:51.160 at the Technique Stadium. 00:08:51.202 --> 00:08:52.453 And it's Wrexham 00:08:52.578 --> 00:08:53.996 who claim all three points. 00:08:54.121 --> 00:08:55.456 Wrexham! Wrexham! 00:08:55.540 --> 00:08:57.083 - We got away with that one. - I know, I know. 00:08:57.166 --> 00:08:58.376 And it's Wrexham 00:08:58.417 --> 00:08:59.835 who've come away with all three points. 00:08:59.919 --> 00:09:01.712 Entering the final third of the season, 00:09:01.754 --> 00:09:04.131 and Wrexham are flying into Match Day 29 00:09:04.215 --> 00:09:05.883 after that Chesterfield win, 00:09:05.925 --> 00:09:07.301 Now in fifth place 00:09:07.385 --> 00:09:09.637 and looking to smash lowly Aldershot Town. 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:10.763 The ball to Mullin. 00:09:10.805 --> 00:09:11.973 He takes the shot! 00:09:12.014 --> 00:09:13.683 And he takes the goal! 00:09:18.271 --> 00:09:19.522 Now attempting the ball. 00:09:19.564 --> 00:09:20.898 And Wrexham play it past again. 00:09:20.982 --> 00:09:22.817 Davies takes the chance! 00:09:24.735 --> 00:09:26.612 Palmer carries on, plays it in smart. 00:09:26.696 --> 00:09:28.406 Ball to McFadzean. 00:09:28.447 --> 00:09:30.324 Palmer! 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:33.202 - I mean, come on. 00:09:38.457 --> 00:09:40.543 And he's--he's... 00:09:40.543 --> 00:09:42.962 Just bouncing from one victory to the next 00:09:43.004 --> 00:09:44.171 and into Match Day 30. 00:09:44.213 --> 00:09:45.881 Wrexham are now up to fourth place 00:09:45.965 --> 00:09:48.301 and facing second from bottom, King's Lynn Town, 00:09:48.384 --> 00:09:51.012 a team they battered back in November. 00:10:02.607 --> 00:10:05.234 - All together made that goal. Great! 00:10:24.503 --> 00:10:26.005 Hi, this is Ryan. 00:10:26.047 --> 00:10:27.048 This is Rob, and these are the highlights 00:10:27.131 --> 00:10:29.050 from Wrexham versus Boreham Wood. 00:10:29.091 --> 00:10:30.551 Palmer scores. 00:10:30.760 --> 00:10:31.844 Wrexham 1-0. 00:10:36.223 --> 00:10:38.100 Hayden heads it in. 00:10:38.142 --> 00:10:41.103 Look at this atmosphere. 00:10:41.187 --> 00:10:42.897 Yeah! 00:10:43.356 --> 00:10:44.649 What a goal! 00:10:44.732 --> 00:10:46.484 - Come on, then! 00:10:46.567 --> 00:10:49.320 Jones making it three for Wrexham. 00:10:50.780 --> 00:10:52.073 Before you know it, 00:10:52.281 --> 00:10:54.158 Mullin makes it 4-2, Wrexham. 00:10:54.617 --> 00:10:55.826 Upped the talent. 00:10:55.868 --> 00:10:58.621 Wow, what a performance that was. 00:10:58.704 --> 00:11:00.498 What a win that was. 00:11:00.539 --> 00:11:03.459 Wrexham beat Boreham Wood 4-2. 00:11:29.568 --> 00:11:30.903 We've been on a good run 00:11:31.195 --> 00:11:32.279 with the additions we made 00:11:32.363 --> 00:11:33.698 and the work we did in January. 00:11:33.739 --> 00:11:35.616 And it wasn't major surgery. 00:11:38.285 --> 00:11:40.204 Two feet. 00:11:48.629 --> 00:11:52.091 Oh, Young and Greens, down you go! 00:11:52.174 --> 00:11:54.051 Ten press-ups for us. 00:11:54.093 --> 00:11:56.554 Ollie Palmer's been fantastic for us. 00:11:56.595 --> 00:12:00.099 I think he gave Paul Mullin a huge lift bringing him in. 00:12:00.182 --> 00:12:01.392 I * scored on Tuesday, 00:12:01.434 --> 00:12:03.060 and they're singing, "Johnny Mullins." 00:12:03.102 --> 00:12:04.437 - What? - I score on Tuesday, 00:12:04.478 --> 00:12:06.272 and they're singing, "Mullin, Mullin, Mullin." 00:12:08.441 --> 00:12:11.986 - There's a partnership we envisaged. 00:12:13.362 --> 00:12:15.281 And it's shown a lot of signs 00:12:15.322 --> 00:12:17.450 that it's gonna be a successful one for the club 00:12:17.533 --> 00:12:19.952 going forward, short- and long-term. 00:12:27.168 --> 00:12:28.836 - That's not a lot, is it? 00:12:37.970 --> 00:12:39.472 I'll just do what I do. 00:12:56.781 --> 00:12:57.823 This is an avocado on toast. 00:12:57.907 --> 00:12:58.991 Amazing. 00:12:59.074 --> 00:13:00.075 - Oh, ta, thank you. Thank you, love. 00:13:00.117 --> 00:13:00.993 - Cheers. 00:13:02.119 --> 00:13:03.078 No, no. 00:13:04.121 --> 00:13:05.039 Ketchup. Yeah, no problem. 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:05.831 Yes, please. 00:13:12.797 --> 00:13:14.381 - Enjoy. - Thank you. 00:13:34.151 --> 00:13:36.111 - Let's go, Cal. - Let's go. 00:13:36.153 --> 00:13:38.531 - This is Cal the Dragon, my name's Ash Freestyle, 00:13:38.614 --> 00:13:40.366 and we're here today just filming TikToks 00:13:40.407 --> 00:13:42.368 with the Wrexham team. 00:13:53.546 --> 00:13:55.130 I do, like, freestyle football tricks 00:13:55.214 --> 00:13:56.298 and skills and bits like that. 00:13:56.340 --> 00:13:57.383 Show us some skills, then. 00:13:57.466 --> 00:13:59.009 Oh, putting us on the spot. 00:13:59.093 --> 00:14:00.803 Oh! 00:14:01.637 --> 00:14:03.514 All right. 00:14:03.597 --> 00:14:04.890 - No one here can do that, man. - No. 00:14:04.974 --> 00:14:06.934 We got reached out by our TikTok manager 00:14:07.017 --> 00:14:08.352 to come down to Wrexham 00:14:08.435 --> 00:14:10.104 and film some TikTok videos with the team. 00:14:10.187 --> 00:14:11.605 We'll hit record on the camera. 00:14:11.689 --> 00:14:13.399 It's like kicking the ball on the beat. 00:14:13.482 --> 00:14:16.068 Pretty fast, as you've seen. Boom, boom, boom, boom. 00:14:16.110 --> 00:14:18.070 After you kick it, just run straight out, 00:14:18.153 --> 00:14:20.281 and hopefully, it'll look pretty good. 00:14:24.660 --> 00:14:27.496 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. 00:14:27.580 --> 00:14:29.707 We better find a new beat for that. 00:14:34.587 --> 00:14:35.337 Go! 00:14:52.730 --> 00:14:54.607 Just make sure that forward foot, 00:14:54.648 --> 00:14:56.859 sweep it 'round the front there. 00:15:12.249 --> 00:15:13.751 Hey, hey! 00:15:19.924 --> 00:15:20.883 So... 00:15:31.393 --> 00:15:32.311 Rough, man. 00:15:32.770 --> 00:15:33.687 Mm-hmm. 00:15:36.398 --> 00:15:37.733 I think as a manager, 00:15:37.816 --> 00:15:40.319 the one thing you gotta remember is 00:15:40.402 --> 00:15:43.364 you're dealing with 24, 25 young men. 00:15:43.405 --> 00:15:44.907 You've gotta be aware of that, 00:15:44.949 --> 00:15:46.867 and sometimes it's not just a case 00:15:46.951 --> 00:15:49.119 of, "You're not playing very well." 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:52.623 You know, between all the staff, 00:15:52.706 --> 00:15:55.334 we try and spend as much time 00:15:55.376 --> 00:15:56.502 with the players as we can. 00:15:56.502 --> 00:15:58.545 And, um, that's sometimes 00:15:58.921 --> 00:16:00.547 not sitting in the office. 00:16:00.631 --> 00:16:02.549 It might just be a casual chat 00:16:02.591 --> 00:16:04.885 on the training pitch before training. 00:16:06.345 --> 00:16:07.721 Jordy. 00:16:08.347 --> 00:16:09.473 Yeah, how's the missus? 00:16:09.515 --> 00:16:10.516 From the first scans, 00:16:10.599 --> 00:16:12.309 things were never really right. 00:16:13.560 --> 00:16:15.938 It's not--we just haven't had any good news at all. 00:16:15.980 --> 00:16:17.564 - Oh, really? - Like, for the whole. 00:16:17.606 --> 00:16:19.483 It's just been shit the whole time. 00:16:19.525 --> 00:16:22.027 So we're just, again, waiting on more results 00:16:22.111 --> 00:16:23.445 and more results. - Right. 00:16:23.487 --> 00:16:24.488 And it's just-- it's just not-- 00:16:28.075 --> 00:16:29.493 - 20? - Yeah. 00:16:33.872 --> 00:16:34.581 - Yeah. 00:16:38.127 --> 00:16:39.753 - Right. - Yeah. It is what it is. 00:16:40.629 --> 00:16:41.588 - Yeah. 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:44.758 - Mm-hmm. 00:16:51.098 --> 00:16:52.516 You know, when you have players 00:16:52.599 --> 00:16:56.520 whose wives or girlfriends are expecting 00:16:56.562 --> 00:16:58.313 and you've had children yourself, 00:16:58.355 --> 00:16:59.982 you understand 00:17:00.065 --> 00:17:01.817 that how that moment-- 00:17:01.984 --> 00:17:05.487 and how the--how life-changing it is going to be. 00:17:05.571 --> 00:17:08.615 So with Jordan Davies' 00:17:08.615 --> 00:17:10.242 situation, I feel for. 00:17:12.286 --> 00:17:13.954 My escape was football. 00:17:13.996 --> 00:17:15.205 I went to football 00:17:15.289 --> 00:17:17.332 so I could escape what was happening at home. 00:17:21.503 --> 00:17:22.337 And he's got one here. 00:17:22.421 --> 00:17:23.338 Davies strikes... 00:17:23.422 --> 00:17:24.673 and it's in for Wrexham! 00:17:24.715 --> 00:17:26.717 Jordan Davies has done it! 00:17:27.760 --> 00:17:30.596 We said the roof might come off! 00:17:31.305 --> 00:17:32.556 There's a strike. 00:17:32.598 --> 00:17:34.058 And that's an incredible finish. 00:17:34.099 --> 00:17:35.726 Jordan, he's been exceptional 00:17:35.768 --> 00:17:38.395 and has produced big moments in games. 00:17:38.437 --> 00:17:39.730 It was a tough period for him 00:17:39.772 --> 00:17:41.523 and you gotta put it in perspective 00:17:41.607 --> 00:17:44.485 how well he did continue playing through that time. 00:17:45.986 --> 00:17:48.030 It's Davies and it's in. 00:18:03.253 --> 00:18:04.213 Come with me. 00:18:04.505 --> 00:18:05.839 She's like, "I don't want no help." 00:18:07.049 --> 00:18:08.592 This way, this way. 00:18:10.260 --> 00:18:12.179 Through the tunnel. 00:18:12.262 --> 00:18:13.430 Hooray. 00:18:13.639 --> 00:18:14.807 Well done. 00:18:26.693 --> 00:18:28.112 We try and do this, what do you say, every week? 00:18:28.195 --> 00:18:29.571 - Every week, yeah. 00:18:29.613 --> 00:18:31.323 Every week we near enough try and get out on a day off 00:18:31.406 --> 00:18:32.449 - and do something. - Yeah. 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:35.077 - But it's usually always something different. 00:18:59.226 --> 00:19:01.061 Shaky, shaky. 00:19:01.103 --> 00:19:02.437 Oh, my days. 00:19:02.479 --> 00:19:04.439 - Mai... - Izzy! 00:19:04.523 --> 00:19:06.733 Look at that. 00:19:06.775 --> 00:19:08.652 Whoa! 00:19:21.707 --> 00:19:23.167 Tozer sends in the ball. 00:19:25.961 --> 00:19:27.087 Hayden! 00:19:29.047 --> 00:19:30.799 - Come on! - Let's go! 00:19:35.804 --> 00:19:38.724 Hayden stands tall above everyone. 00:20:02.915 --> 00:20:04.291 Yeah. 00:20:28.482 --> 00:20:30.234 But you gotta use your--your--your-- 00:20:38.951 --> 00:20:40.577 May have been switched on 00:20:40.661 --> 00:20:42.996 at the right moment, but they are in this case! 00:20:44.623 --> 00:20:45.916 Ben Tozer, 00:20:45.999 --> 00:20:47.209 Aaron Hayden! 00:21:02.432 --> 00:21:04.101 It was 27 weeks, 00:21:04.101 --> 00:21:05.811 so we went through 00:21:06.395 --> 00:21:07.521 proper labor. 00:21:08.063 --> 00:21:09.815 It was heartbreaking. 00:21:09.815 --> 00:21:11.900 It was really difficult. 00:21:12.317 --> 00:21:14.861 It's definitely true when people say, you know, 00:21:14.903 --> 00:21:16.905 time's a healer. 00:21:16.989 --> 00:21:18.115 'Cause 00:21:18.156 --> 00:21:19.992 it does get easier. 00:21:20.742 --> 00:21:21.660 But 00:21:21.910 --> 00:21:22.869 in that moment, 00:21:23.495 --> 00:21:25.414 it's really difficult 00:21:25.455 --> 00:21:27.374 to go through. 00:21:35.465 --> 00:21:36.758 But... 00:21:51.148 --> 00:21:53.942 - A lot of people actually got in touch with me after, 00:21:53.984 --> 00:21:57.195 saying they'd been through something similar 00:21:57.279 --> 00:21:59.823 and connected us to the charity 00:21:59.906 --> 00:22:02.284 working with bereaved families, 00:22:02.326 --> 00:22:05.579 which is who we done the fundraising for. 00:22:05.662 --> 00:22:10.959 The donations kept coming in. I was so surprised. 00:22:11.043 --> 00:22:12.919 - We cannot thank everyone enough. 00:22:13.003 --> 00:22:14.796 From people you don't even know 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:17.632 getting in touch to donating to Arthur's charity 00:22:17.716 --> 00:22:20.135 that we can help many other families with, 00:22:20.218 --> 00:22:22.721 it's--it's beautiful, really. 00:22:22.804 --> 00:22:24.014 At the end of the day, 00:22:24.014 --> 00:22:25.265 for Jord, 00:22:25.307 --> 00:22:26.350 the fact 00:22:26.433 --> 00:22:27.476 that people understood 00:22:27.476 --> 00:22:28.685 that 00:22:28.727 --> 00:22:30.145 he wasn't just this footballer, 00:22:30.437 --> 00:22:32.189 he was actually 00:22:32.189 --> 00:22:33.523 human. 00:22:34.649 --> 00:22:36.193 Owners Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney 00:22:36.276 --> 00:22:37.903 are doubling down on Davies, 00:22:37.944 --> 00:22:41.698 offering the hometown hero a three-year extension. 00:22:41.740 --> 00:22:43.200 Jordan Davies, 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:44.201 the local lad, 00:22:44.201 --> 00:22:46.078 scoring goals for fun from midfield. 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:47.162 I mean, he's a commodity 00:22:47.245 --> 00:22:48.580 that clubs in the National League 00:22:48.622 --> 00:22:51.458 don't normally have at their disposal. 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:53.627 You know, and signing Jones with a new contract 00:22:53.668 --> 00:22:56.505 was massively important for the club. 00:22:56.546 --> 00:22:57.964 He was massively important on the field. 00:22:58.006 --> 00:22:59.383 He was actually massively important 00:22:59.466 --> 00:23:00.842 for off the field as well. 00:23:00.926 --> 00:23:02.511 - We're really lucky 00:23:02.552 --> 00:23:04.888 that he actually got his new contract, 00:23:04.971 --> 00:23:07.724 'cause he's gonna be here for a few more years. 00:23:07.808 --> 00:23:09.810 So it's actually-- 00:23:10.310 --> 00:23:11.895 it worked out amazingly, 00:23:11.937 --> 00:23:13.271 'cause I think there's no better place 00:23:13.355 --> 00:23:14.940 at the minute for him to be.