WEBVTT 00:00:45.842 --> 00:00:46.801 - No. 00:00:49.012 --> 00:00:51.306 - I did hear. 00:00:51.347 --> 00:00:53.016 Kind of don't even know who he is. 00:00:53.058 --> 00:00:55.852 I'm supposed to know who he is, but apparently, 00:00:55.935 --> 00:00:57.103 he's someone in a movie. 00:00:57.145 --> 00:00:58.480 - I don't know if you should say that in the mic. 00:00:59.189 --> 00:01:00.023 It's true. 00:01:00.023 --> 00:01:01.691 - I don't know who he is, either. 00:01:01.775 --> 00:01:03.318 - Who is he? - But I'm sure he'll do well. 00:01:03.318 --> 00:01:04.694 - Do you know who he is? - We wish him well, 00:01:04.778 --> 00:01:05.945 whoever he is. 00:01:07.989 --> 00:01:10.241 So when this whole thing 00:01:10.283 --> 00:01:11.367 started, I said to Kaitlin, 00:01:11.409 --> 00:01:12.952 what do you think about me seeing if Ryan 00:01:13.036 --> 00:01:15.205 would want to do this with me, like, 50-50? 00:01:15.246 --> 00:01:17.040 And she said, 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.042 "Do you think your ego could handle 00:01:19.084 --> 00:01:21.461 sharing a screen with Ryan Reynolds?" 00:01:26.633 --> 00:01:28.802 That-- that doesn't surprise me. 00:01:29.219 --> 00:01:30.386 He's not that well-known. 00:01:30.386 --> 00:01:33.056 - Well, he's got Rob backing him now, and Humphrey. 00:01:33.098 --> 00:01:34.641 So the guy'll go somewhere. 00:01:34.724 --> 00:01:36.476 - You set up-- I gotta get in here. 00:01:36.559 --> 00:01:38.394 Haha. All right. 00:01:38.478 --> 00:01:39.938 - All right, see you soon. 00:01:40.021 --> 00:01:41.356 - I will, uh-- I will see you soon. Bye. 00:01:41.397 --> 00:01:43.525 So let's start from the very beginning. 00:01:44.609 --> 00:01:47.403 Um, Ryan, I hear your friendship actually started 00:01:47.487 --> 00:01:50.865 when Rob slid into your DMs. 00:01:51.032 --> 00:01:52.200 Do you want to spill the tea on that one a little bit? 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.410 No! No, I slid into his DMs. 00:01:54.494 --> 00:01:55.703 Oh, you slid into his DMs? 00:01:55.745 --> 00:01:57.497 - Oh, my God, yeah. I mean-- 00:01:57.580 --> 00:01:58.790 - How quickly-- - Are you kidding me? 00:01:58.873 --> 00:02:01.167 - How quickly the story changes. - I know. 00:02:01.167 --> 00:02:04.087 Okay, so Ryan, this is what's called a soundstage. 00:02:04.129 --> 00:02:05.505 - Really? - Yeah. 00:02:05.672 --> 00:02:07.006 And they don't use ceilings? 00:02:07.048 --> 00:02:09.092 They make movies, they make TV. 00:02:09.509 --> 00:02:10.802 Well, there is a ceiling. 00:02:11.177 --> 00:02:13.596 - I'd seen an episode of his show 00:02:13.847 --> 00:02:17.267 that I found to be particularly inspiring and beautiful. 00:02:17.350 --> 00:02:18.893 I slid into his DMs, and I wrote, 00:02:18.893 --> 00:02:20.937 "Powder my bottom and put me to bed." 00:02:20.979 --> 00:02:22.856 This is not actually a bar. 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:25.108 Look at this. 00:02:25.150 --> 00:02:26.401 Yeah. 00:02:26.901 --> 00:02:29.612 - Oh, wow. - Yeah. 00:02:29.654 --> 00:02:30.697 He DM'd me back, 00:02:30.738 --> 00:02:31.781 and then we kind of became, 00:02:31.823 --> 00:02:33.575 - you know, digital friends-- - Yeah. 00:02:33.616 --> 00:02:35.994 - Which later turned into real-life human friends. 00:02:36.077 --> 00:02:38.163 Platonic relationships between men 00:02:38.246 --> 00:02:41.249 is a complicated subject. 00:02:41.249 --> 00:02:42.417 And Ryan and I had questions. 00:02:42.458 --> 00:02:46.129 So we went to the only logical place for answers-- 00:02:46.713 --> 00:02:47.547 a woman. 00:02:47.589 --> 00:02:48.756 - Hi, my name is Liz Plank. 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:51.593 And I am the author of For the Love of Men: 00:02:51.634 --> 00:02:53.511 A Vision for Mindful Masculinity. 00:02:53.636 --> 00:02:54.762 I'm a journalist. 00:02:54.804 --> 00:02:58.016 I'm a filmmaker, a columnist, podcast. 00:02:58.016 --> 00:02:59.809 I noticed, in the first episode of the show, 00:02:59.809 --> 00:03:03.188 Rob said that he went to Ryan for "movie money." 00:03:03.188 --> 00:03:05.648 Also felt like an excuse to actually 00:03:05.732 --> 00:03:08.526 probably be friends with Ryan and spend time with Ryan. 00:03:10.612 --> 00:03:11.905 - You're, like, dating? - I don't know. 00:03:11.946 --> 00:03:13.448 I'm definitely gonna swoon. 00:03:13.489 --> 00:03:14.866 So you gotta-- 00:03:15.033 --> 00:03:16.951 you gotta stay wide for that shot. 00:03:17.535 --> 00:03:20.455 'Cause if you see my eyes, I'm gonna be, like, floating. 00:03:21.539 --> 00:03:23.958 He's probably gonna pick me up like a child. 00:03:25.668 --> 00:03:26.711 And cradle me. 00:03:27.212 --> 00:03:30.340 There's also the weird phenomenon, that is true, 00:03:30.381 --> 00:03:33.092 that if you see--if you watch somebody long enough 00:03:33.176 --> 00:03:34.886 over an extended period of time, 00:03:34.969 --> 00:03:37.055 you start to feel like you know them anyway. 00:03:37.055 --> 00:03:38.973 So even before 00:03:39.349 --> 00:03:40.892 we connected, you know, 00:03:40.975 --> 00:03:42.769 you get a sense that you kind of know that person, 00:03:42.810 --> 00:03:44.103 even though you don't. 00:03:44.270 --> 00:03:47.023 We became pretty close, pretty fast. 00:03:47.649 --> 00:03:48.650 - The Rookie. - Okay. 00:03:48.650 --> 00:03:49.692 - Dennis Quaid. - Whoa, look-- 00:03:49.734 --> 00:03:52.779 - Like, a 40-year-old pitcher in the major-- 00:03:53.112 --> 00:03:54.739 - Can we just address the-- 00:03:55.406 --> 00:03:57.784 can we address the mustache in the room? 00:04:02.538 --> 00:04:05.667 I've heard a lot of people refer to our relationship 00:04:05.667 --> 00:04:06.834 as a bromance. 00:04:06.834 --> 00:04:08.294 I find that fascinating. 00:04:08.336 --> 00:04:11.673 - The definition of the word bromance is just-- 00:04:11.756 --> 00:04:14.842 it's a platonic relationship between two men. 00:04:14.884 --> 00:04:17.971 There's no female equivalent to the term bromance. 00:04:18.012 --> 00:04:19.764 The female equivalent is friends. 00:04:19.847 --> 00:04:22.976 And so the fact that we need a term to describe two men 00:04:22.976 --> 00:04:26.062 about what men are allowed or are not allowed to do, 00:04:26.145 --> 00:04:28.189 and how much self-policing there is 00:04:28.273 --> 00:04:31.985 when it comes to their relationships with other men. 00:04:32.026 --> 00:04:33.736 It's so funny, and so indicative 00:04:33.820 --> 00:04:35.822 of where we are as a culture now, 00:04:35.863 --> 00:04:39.659 that we have to use cute terms to define 00:04:39.701 --> 00:04:42.036 an intimate relationship between two men. 00:04:42.161 --> 00:04:42.954 I don't know why. 00:04:42.996 --> 00:04:44.580 I think maybe it's because it's easier for us 00:04:44.622 --> 00:04:46.708 to talk about it by making it sound 00:04:46.791 --> 00:04:48.501 a little bit more juvenile, 00:04:48.543 --> 00:04:50.837 or just cute and funny. 00:04:50.837 --> 00:04:53.548 - So bromance is almost this permission 00:04:53.589 --> 00:04:55.466 for men to connect, 00:04:55.508 --> 00:04:57.885 and to show love to each other. 00:04:58.136 --> 00:04:59.971 Because it's like-- it's like a joke. 00:05:00.054 --> 00:05:03.182 - I've been waiting for the right, peaceful moment 00:05:03.766 --> 00:05:05.393 to ask you, 00:05:05.935 --> 00:05:08.354 do you harbor any anger 00:05:08.396 --> 00:05:11.024 and/or resentment towards me 00:05:11.065 --> 00:05:13.026 for asking you to do this? 00:05:13.693 --> 00:05:15.570 - My wife wants to kill you, Rob. - Yeah. 00:05:23.995 --> 00:05:25.580 Men prove their manhood 00:05:25.663 --> 00:05:30.084 by ascribing to the definition of masculinity 00:05:30.168 --> 00:05:32.628 that they've been told they need to aspire to, 00:05:32.670 --> 00:05:35.882 which is, you know, domination, aggression, 00:05:35.965 --> 00:05:37.633 winning at all costs. 00:05:37.675 --> 00:05:38.634 - This is what men do! - Yeah! 00:05:38.634 --> 00:05:41.054 with groups of other men and do stuff, 00:05:41.137 --> 00:05:42.764 whether that be 00:05:42.805 --> 00:05:44.474 go to football matches, 00:05:44.515 --> 00:05:45.475 play football, 00:05:45.683 --> 00:05:46.517 play golf, 00:05:46.517 --> 00:05:47.435 drink, 00:05:47.810 --> 00:05:48.394 uh, 00:05:48.436 --> 00:05:49.937 hang out, talk, 00:05:49.979 --> 00:05:51.481 shoot the shit, 00:05:51.564 --> 00:05:52.982 rove in gangs, 00:05:53.066 --> 00:05:54.484 beat the living shit out of each other, 00:05:55.068 --> 00:05:56.277 - Give me some more gum for Dennis. 00:05:56.361 --> 00:05:57.737 - No, I don't trust you. - Why not? 00:05:57.820 --> 00:05:58.863 - 'Cause you're just gonna put it in your mouth 00:05:58.905 --> 00:06:01.032 and eat it again. - I won't. I promise. 00:06:01.074 --> 00:06:03.743 - Hmm, his neck is high. It makes me trust him. 00:06:03.785 --> 00:06:04.952 Good posture, bro. Okay. 00:06:04.994 --> 00:06:06.537 - Come on. - All right, I trust you. 00:06:06.579 --> 00:06:07.497 - How are you? - What's your name? 00:06:07.580 --> 00:06:08.748 - Good, how are you? - James. 00:06:08.790 --> 00:06:10.083 I just find it really funny 00:06:10.124 --> 00:06:12.668 just watching men, like, greet each other. 00:06:12.752 --> 00:06:15.713 I feel like I have secondhand stress 00:06:15.755 --> 00:06:18.091 about seeing two men sometimes greet each other. 00:06:18.132 --> 00:06:19.801 Because sometimes it's like a straight-up handshake. 00:06:19.884 --> 00:06:21.636 Sometimes, it's the handshake, but like, 00:06:21.719 --> 00:06:23.221 kind of the clap, and then they, like, 00:06:23.262 --> 00:06:24.764 still kind of touch. 00:06:24.806 --> 00:06:26.265 Sometimes, it's the handshake 00:06:26.307 --> 00:06:27.850 followed by the hug, tap, tap. 00:06:27.850 --> 00:06:29.477 And then it keeps going while they're talking, 00:06:29.477 --> 00:06:30.770 but sometimes they pull out. 00:06:30.853 --> 00:06:33.272 There's-- there's the fist bump, 00:06:33.314 --> 00:06:34.774 obviously, as well. 00:06:34.816 --> 00:06:36.818 I feel confused, and I feel stressed 00:06:36.901 --> 00:06:38.694 seeing men trying to greet each other. 00:06:38.778 --> 00:06:41.280 It's very weird. Like, I'm a hugger. 00:06:41.322 --> 00:06:43.866 But like, some guys will throw in the-- 00:06:43.950 --> 00:06:45.910 they need the hand-- 00:06:45.910 --> 00:06:47.245 Oh, with the hug? 00:06:47.328 --> 00:06:48.704 The hand with the hug because you can't just-- 00:06:48.788 --> 00:06:50.248 - You can't touch hearts. - For the hug. 00:06:50.289 --> 00:06:51.457 - Okay, yes. Okay. 00:06:51.499 --> 00:06:52.375 That's too intimate. 00:06:52.458 --> 00:06:53.668 - Too intimate. 00:06:53.751 --> 00:06:55.795 You gotta keep something in between the bodies. 00:06:55.837 --> 00:06:57.588 And then one day, you'll graduate 00:06:57.630 --> 00:07:01.592 to just your hearts touching. 00:07:01.634 --> 00:07:04.637 Sports becomes this safe space 00:07:04.637 --> 00:07:07.014 not just, you know, emotionally, but also physically. 00:07:07.056 --> 00:07:08.850 Like, I just find it fascinating 00:07:08.891 --> 00:07:12.478 watching, you know, men on a football field 00:07:12.520 --> 00:07:15.731 touching each other, and being very affectionate, 00:07:15.815 --> 00:07:17.567 being very physically close with each other-- 00:07:17.650 --> 00:07:19.444 even, like, slapping each other's *s. 00:07:19.527 --> 00:07:21.070 When can men slap each other's *s 00:07:21.154 --> 00:07:23.364 except when they're on a football field? 00:07:25.283 --> 00:07:26.909 Do men get close with each other 00:07:26.993 --> 00:07:27.994 because they love sports? 00:07:28.035 --> 00:07:29.871 Or do men do sports because 00:07:29.954 --> 00:07:31.456 they want to be close to each other? 00:07:31.539 --> 00:07:34.208 - I've watched you become a massive sports fan, 00:07:34.250 --> 00:07:35.793 which I don't think you were before. 00:07:35.877 --> 00:07:37.086 - I wasn't. I mean, I've always-- 00:07:37.170 --> 00:07:38.087 I always played sports. 00:07:38.171 --> 00:07:39.422 I loved playing sports. 00:07:39.505 --> 00:07:42.175 But the idea or the thought 00:07:42.216 --> 00:07:43.176 of this 00:07:43.176 --> 00:07:46.429 never, never was on my vision board. 00:07:46.512 --> 00:07:48.723 Part of the fun isn't just getting 00:07:48.764 --> 00:07:50.016 to hang out with each other, 00:07:50.057 --> 00:07:51.559 or having a football team together. 00:07:51.642 --> 00:07:53.144 It's also talking about things 00:07:53.227 --> 00:07:54.729 that can be, uh, 00:07:54.729 --> 00:07:56.230 uncomfortable. 00:07:56.314 --> 00:07:58.566 We filmed our colonoscopies together, for God's sake. 00:07:58.649 --> 00:08:00.401 - It's the first time you've had a colonoscopy. 00:08:00.485 --> 00:08:01.235 - Yeah. - And-- 00:08:01.277 --> 00:08:02.737 - We're * filming it. 00:08:02.778 --> 00:08:03.779 - You're filming it-- 00:08:03.863 --> 00:08:06.240 - Which is, like, also just awful. 00:08:06.324 --> 00:08:09.785 Can't believe you pumped all that Aviation Gin into my IV. 00:08:09.869 --> 00:08:13.039 I was out like a light. 00:08:13.080 --> 00:08:16.250 They didn't find Rosebud up there? 00:08:16.292 --> 00:08:18.044 I figure I can't go wrong in terms of 00:08:18.085 --> 00:08:20.379 comparing myself to Ryan. 00:08:20.421 --> 00:08:21.589 They either find nothing, 00:08:21.672 --> 00:08:23.883 and that means my colon was cleaner than his. 00:08:23.925 --> 00:08:26.010 Or they find a polyp. 00:08:26.135 --> 00:08:27.011 All set. 00:08:27.094 --> 00:08:28.763 And it's either bigger than his, 00:08:28.804 --> 00:08:30.973 which is awesome, 00:08:31.057 --> 00:08:32.600 or it's smaller than his, 00:08:32.892 --> 00:08:35.686 which means I had less of an opportunity to have cancer. 00:08:35.770 --> 00:08:36.938 Either way, I win. 00:08:37.438 --> 00:08:39.106 - You can just relax. 00:08:41.567 --> 00:08:42.860 - How was it before? 00:08:42.944 --> 00:08:44.487 It was good. 00:08:44.570 --> 00:08:47.323 The last one was 113 over 48. 00:08:49.909 --> 00:08:51.619 - Is it better than Ryan's? 00:08:51.702 --> 00:08:52.828 Yeah. 00:08:54.288 --> 00:08:56.916 - We're back here with Ryan Reynolds and the other guy. 00:09:00.294 --> 00:09:02.838 - I think we both have enormous 00:09:02.964 --> 00:09:04.006 respect for each other, 00:09:04.090 --> 00:09:05.341 which is what 00:09:05.341 --> 00:09:06.592 I think is the backbone 00:09:06.634 --> 00:09:08.261 to any healthy relationship. 00:09:08.302 --> 00:09:10.471 - Any endeavor at this point in my life 00:09:10.555 --> 00:09:13.933 is an opportunity to continue to forge new relationships. 00:09:13.975 --> 00:09:16.644 So it was really special, 00:09:16.727 --> 00:09:18.521 and has been really special to me, 00:09:18.604 --> 00:09:19.981 my relationship with him. 00:09:20.022 --> 00:09:22.733 - In many ways, sports becomes this performance for men 00:09:22.817 --> 00:09:25.945 to really be that ideal of masculinity 00:09:25.987 --> 00:09:28.030 that they're told to aspire to. 00:09:28.114 --> 00:09:30.616 And, you know, maybe Rob and Ryan-- 00:09:30.658 --> 00:09:32.118 I mean, they're performers. 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:34.996 And so, they're still out there, maybe some way, 00:09:35.079 --> 00:09:37.665 performing maybe not for their dads, 00:09:37.748 --> 00:09:39.083 but for each other. 00:09:39.166 --> 00:09:41.294 - That's why Rob is a *-face clown. 00:09:41.335 --> 00:09:42.545 - He's just-- - Aw, man. 00:09:42.628 --> 00:09:43.754 - Oh, Jesus. Rob-- 00:09:43.838 --> 00:09:44.672 oh, hi, Mr. Chairman. 00:09:44.755 --> 00:09:45.881 How are you? 00:09:45.965 --> 00:09:47.049 - How are you? You look nice. 00:09:47.133 --> 00:09:48.593 I'm sorry about interrupting you. 00:09:48.676 --> 00:09:50.177 - I'm covered in microphones-- 00:09:50.219 --> 00:09:51.470 - It's good to see--hi. - So I can't stand up. 00:09:51.512 --> 00:09:52.763 - Well, hello. - Hi. 00:09:52.847 --> 00:09:53.848 You guys are in the middle of your thing? 00:09:53.889 --> 00:09:55.182 God, you're handsome. 00:09:55.224 --> 00:09:55.933 Um... 00:09:56.017 --> 00:09:57.518 All right. - Yeah, did you get that? 00:09:57.602 --> 00:09:59.020 - Last question. - Come here. 00:09:59.103 --> 00:10:01.439 Are we concerned about Ryan being overexposed? 00:10:01.522 --> 00:10:02.940 I think that's a fair-- - I'm plenty overexposed. 00:10:03.024 --> 00:10:04.650 - I think that's fair. - Come on. 00:10:05.276 --> 00:10:06.068 - Where? You want to go in here? 00:10:06.068 --> 00:10:06.902 - There you go. Yeah, that's good. 00:10:06.986 --> 00:10:08.404 - Now, I feel like we're really close. 00:10:32.386 --> 00:10:33.846 I can make a cup of tea. 00:10:33.888 --> 00:10:35.723 I make the best cup of tea here. 00:10:35.765 --> 00:10:37.516 Why do you think they got me on here? 00:10:39.727 --> 00:10:40.978 Chal doesn't have sugar. 00:10:41.062 --> 00:10:42.188 You got to have sugar, though. 00:10:43.522 --> 00:10:45.775 Tea's not the same without sugar. 00:10:45.858 --> 00:10:48.486 Hey, you deserve a cuppa, Chal. 00:10:48.569 --> 00:10:49.612 - See? 00:10:49.695 --> 00:10:51.030 There is something that-- 00:10:51.030 --> 00:10:52.698 - I see you've got some Yorkshire bags in. 00:10:53.824 --> 00:10:55.326 - Where's the milk? 00:10:55.660 --> 00:10:57.078 - What? - Where's the milk? 00:10:57.119 --> 00:10:57.828 It's in there. 00:10:57.870 --> 00:10:59.288 You said you don't like too much milk. 00:10:59.288 --> 00:11:00.247 Eh? 00:11:00.289 --> 00:11:01.832 - Oh, no, you like a little more milk, don't you? Yeah. 00:11:01.874 --> 00:11:03.167 - Well, go and have more then, Chal. 00:11:03.209 --> 00:11:04.377 if you're gonna be ungrateful. 00:11:04.377 --> 00:11:05.544 I'll put these away. 00:11:05.753 --> 00:11:08.172 - This is the life skills you need to learn, innit, Harry? 00:11:08.255 --> 00:11:10.299 A cup of tea's one of the most important things. 00:11:10.341 --> 00:11:12.093 It is, Chal. 00:11:12.093 --> 00:11:13.719 More milky next time. 00:11:14.095 --> 00:11:15.262 I got you. 00:11:16.889 --> 00:11:18.933 - It's the worst cup of tea I've had all day, Harry. 00:11:18.974 --> 00:11:20.893 - Don't put me down like that, Chal.. 00:11:25.314 --> 00:11:28.150 - Well, my earliest memory of being a fan 00:11:28.150 --> 00:11:29.110 is 00:11:29.110 --> 00:11:31.112 since I could talk, since I could kick a ball, 00:11:31.153 --> 00:11:32.613 since I've come out the womb, 00:11:32.655 --> 00:11:33.489 I just love Wrexham. 00:11:33.572 --> 00:11:36.450 My room is full of Wrexham stuff, to be honest. 00:11:36.534 --> 00:11:39.078 Being a football fan or Wrexham fan, it's just-- 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.414 it's just run through your family, 00:11:41.455 --> 00:11:43.374 and my dad, obviously, 00:11:43.499 --> 00:11:45.167 and my granddad on my side. 00:11:45.209 --> 00:11:46.919 And they've just always been a Wrexham fan, 00:11:46.961 --> 00:11:48.629 and it's just run to me, now. 00:11:48.671 --> 00:11:51.215 So hopefully, when I have kids, they'll be Wrexham fans. 00:11:51.549 --> 00:11:53.050 'Cause I don't think it'll ever, 00:11:53.384 --> 00:11:54.844 ever stop, 00:11:55.177 --> 00:11:56.345 my racecourse. 00:11:56.804 --> 00:11:59.056 - I think that boys grow up thinking, 00:11:59.098 --> 00:12:00.766 "This is how I need to, 00:12:00.808 --> 00:12:02.810 you know, get my dad's approval." 00:12:03.310 --> 00:12:06.772 Because their dads, that's how they got their dad's approval. 00:12:06.814 --> 00:12:08.816 And it's kind of just passed down. 00:12:09.066 --> 00:12:10.067 Not necessarily questioned. 00:12:10.526 --> 00:12:12.737 I played football for nine years. 00:12:12.820 --> 00:12:14.196 I played rugby, I played baseball, 00:12:14.238 --> 00:12:15.781 and I played 00:12:16.157 --> 00:12:17.366 soccer, as we call it. 00:12:17.450 --> 00:12:20.995 And that was my kind of version of validation at that age, 00:12:21.036 --> 00:12:22.496 and--you know? 00:12:22.788 --> 00:12:25.207 Yeah, he really, like, valued that, you know? 00:12:25.458 --> 00:12:27.334 - One of the really interesting things that happened 00:12:27.376 --> 00:12:29.170 in the pandemic is that there was 00:12:29.211 --> 00:12:30.755 this incredible social experiment 00:12:30.838 --> 00:12:33.466 where sports basically, like, went away. 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:37.511 So one of the things I just started asking men around me-- 00:12:37.595 --> 00:12:40.473 you know, I would say, what do you miss the most about sports? 00:12:40.514 --> 00:12:44.852 And the first guy I asked had a tear go down-- 00:12:44.935 --> 00:12:46.854 like, just literally go down his face. 00:12:46.937 --> 00:12:48.063 And he said, 00:12:48.063 --> 00:12:49.356 "Talking about it with my dad." 00:12:49.398 --> 00:12:52.318 - And I used to go with my dad and my brother to games. 00:12:52.359 --> 00:12:55.196 And in general, it was a family thing. 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:56.864 - Growing up with-- me and my dad, 00:12:56.947 --> 00:12:58.991 he took me from an early age. 00:12:59.033 --> 00:13:01.535 And it's something that's in the blood. 00:13:01.911 --> 00:13:04.205 - So what they miss the most about sports wasn't-- 00:13:04.288 --> 00:13:06.373 didn't actually have anything to do with sports. 00:13:06.415 --> 00:13:11.253 It was about the relationships that they were able to have 00:13:11.337 --> 00:13:13.506 when they were watching sports together. 00:13:13.547 --> 00:13:15.049 - I was a real youngster. 00:13:15.090 --> 00:13:16.592 Me dad used to take me over to Liverpool years ago 00:13:16.675 --> 00:13:18.052 to watch the games. 00:13:18.093 --> 00:13:20.387 And actually, once I moved to Wrexham, 00:13:20.429 --> 00:13:22.556 I just started attending Wrexham games straight away. 00:13:22.640 --> 00:13:24.809 Yeah, I just started watching Wrexham and loved it. 00:13:24.892 --> 00:13:26.352 Just fell in love with it. 00:13:26.769 --> 00:13:28.479 - From when I could first kick a ball, 00:13:28.521 --> 00:13:31.649 my dad always had the belief that I was good. 00:13:31.732 --> 00:13:32.983 He could see that I was good. 00:13:33.067 --> 00:13:35.361 And I can only appreciate that because 00:13:35.402 --> 00:13:37.238 what I used to get from him watching 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:39.990 and his feedback would drive me on even more. 00:13:40.366 --> 00:13:43.202 - For a lot of boys who grew up being told that sports was 00:13:43.244 --> 00:13:45.371 where they could really prove themselves 00:13:45.412 --> 00:13:47.248 and have a relationship with their father, 00:13:47.289 --> 00:13:49.583 or have a relationship with other boys, 00:13:50.167 --> 00:13:52.795 they can grow up into adulthood repeating that, 00:13:52.878 --> 00:13:56.799 where sports becomes the way to earn that connection 00:13:56.882 --> 00:13:58.384 with other men. 00:13:58.425 --> 00:14:01.804 And maybe with our culture, or with society at large, too. 00:14:01.887 --> 00:14:03.681 - Time to see if I still got it. 00:14:03.681 --> 00:14:04.640 - Aye. 00:14:04.723 --> 00:14:06.642 - It's so nice that he still 00:14:06.934 --> 00:14:08.602 wants to take his dad 00:14:09.019 --> 00:14:11.647 out for a pint, you know, and take him to the match, 00:14:11.689 --> 00:14:13.107 and look after me, and-- 00:14:13.148 --> 00:14:14.525 you know, 00:14:14.733 --> 00:14:15.943 with his mates. 00:14:15.985 --> 00:14:17.945 I'm part of a-- 00:14:18.404 --> 00:14:19.947 the crowd, if you want. 00:14:19.989 --> 00:14:22.157 And that's what makes me so happy, you know? 00:14:22.658 --> 00:14:24.451 I can't ask for anything more than that. 00:14:25.035 --> 00:14:26.287 Boys day out. 00:14:26.287 --> 00:14:28.038 Three generations here. 00:14:28.038 --> 00:14:29.456 Same as when we go to the match, 00:14:29.456 --> 00:14:30.875 and we've got three generations here. 00:14:31.083 --> 00:14:32.126 You just pass it down, don't you? 00:14:32.167 --> 00:14:33.377 Like, you got it from Granddad. 00:14:33.460 --> 00:14:34.295 I got it from you. 00:14:34.336 --> 00:14:36.171 It's just-- and I give it to these boys. 00:14:36.463 --> 00:14:38.173 It's in our DNA now innit, eh? 00:14:38.340 --> 00:14:39.842 In our Winter DNA, lad? Muah. 00:14:40.259 --> 00:14:41.427 - It certainly is. 00:14:41.552 --> 00:14:42.887 - That's right, it bloody is. - Yeah? 00:14:57.735 --> 00:14:58.819 I'm not ready for it though, Chal. 00:14:58.861 --> 00:15:00.529 I told you, bit immature inside. 00:15:01.363 --> 00:15:03.699 I can't even cook an egg. 00:15:05.117 --> 00:15:07.077 - So this is when you're on a date, 00:15:07.119 --> 00:15:09.204 when you have the first sleepover, can make-- 00:15:09.288 --> 00:15:11.457 you can make her an egg in the morning. 00:15:11.498 --> 00:15:13.083 - Yeah, why don't you chuck that one in? 00:15:16.670 --> 00:15:17.963 You * idiot. 00:15:18.547 --> 00:15:20.507 Let's--we have a really star candidate. 00:15:21.216 --> 00:15:23.802 - What, so don't do it too hard this time, yeah? 00:15:24.011 --> 00:15:25.930 Take your time cracking the egg. 00:15:27.514 --> 00:15:28.807 - Man City. - Yeah. 00:15:29.433 --> 00:15:30.768 When I was in grade school, 00:15:30.768 --> 00:15:32.186 my dad and I would just come home 00:15:32.227 --> 00:15:33.437 and we'd play basketball. 00:15:33.479 --> 00:15:35.522 And I would try to win. 00:15:36.065 --> 00:15:37.691 And I wouldn't let him 00:15:38.525 --> 00:15:39.985 let me win. 00:15:40.069 --> 00:15:41.153 In some ways, what is the point 00:15:41.195 --> 00:15:42.655 if there's no competition? 00:15:42.696 --> 00:15:44.031 Because that's what's sort of driving us 00:15:44.156 --> 00:15:46.575 all forward instinctually. 00:15:46.575 --> 00:15:47.368 Goal! 00:15:47.451 --> 00:15:49.119 And then it's only in reflection 00:15:49.203 --> 00:15:51.622 where you realize, like, oh, right, 00:15:52.206 --> 00:15:53.582 I--who the * cares? 00:15:53.707 --> 00:15:55.084 I do not understand offsides. 00:15:55.709 --> 00:15:56.502 - Like, offsides is, like, here. 00:15:56.543 --> 00:15:57.711 But then it's also there. 00:15:57.795 --> 00:15:59.421 But when you get a penalty-- 00:15:59.505 --> 00:16:00.881 It's come down to the final 20 minutes here. 00:16:00.923 --> 00:16:01.882 - Yes? - It's not a goal? 00:16:01.966 --> 00:16:03.926 - Yes, it doesn't make any sense. 00:16:04.051 --> 00:16:06.136 I don't remember any specific game. 00:16:06.178 --> 00:16:08.097 I just remember-- 00:16:11.392 --> 00:16:13.143 I just remember playing with my dad, 00:16:14.228 --> 00:16:15.354 you know? 00:17:38.812 --> 00:17:40.230 Genius. - You're a master? 00:17:40.272 --> 00:17:40.981 - Mm. 00:17:41.356 --> 00:17:42.524 You've got to have plenty of role models 00:17:42.608 --> 00:17:44.485 in your life to become who you are, haven't you? 00:17:44.526 --> 00:17:47.654 And... 00:17:48.739 --> 00:17:49.782 Yeah.