WEBVTT 00:00:05.760 --> 00:00:09.055 A few months ago, billions of people 00:00:09.055 --> 00:00:11.141 reappeared after five years away. 00:00:13.059 --> 00:00:15.353 We need new heroes. 00:00:16.646 --> 00:00:18.732 Ones suited for the times we're in. 00:00:20.942 --> 00:00:23.194 Symbols are nothing 00:00:23.194 --> 00:00:25.363 without the women and men that give them meaning. 00:00:28.950 --> 00:00:32.537 And this thing, I don't know if there's ever been a greater symbol. 00:00:35.790 --> 00:00:38.042 But it's more about the man who propped it up, 00:00:39.586 --> 00:00:40.587 and he's gone. 00:00:43.214 --> 00:00:45.341 So, today we honor Steve's legacy. 00:00:45.341 --> 00:00:47.427 But also, we look to the future... 00:00:49.971 --> 00:00:51.723 and the fights that await us there. 00:00:56.186 --> 00:00:59.230 When Disney Plus was announced, we realized there was an opportunity 00:00:59.230 --> 00:01:02.484 to interweave a cinematic universe with the television universe, 00:01:02.484 --> 00:01:04.360 which had never been done before. 00:01:04.360 --> 00:01:07.280 We knew if we could nail it, that's what would make this unique. 00:01:07.363 --> 00:01:09.407 These characters can continue to be developed 00:01:09.407 --> 00:01:12.744 in a way that we oftentimes don't have time to do in films 00:01:12.744 --> 00:01:15.413 and then launch right back into that feature universe, 00:01:15.413 --> 00:01:18.708 so that it's truly connected for the first time. 00:01:29.802 --> 00:01:32.722 I think for Nate and I, it was very obvious 00:01:32.722 --> 00:01:35.099 that The Falcon and the Winter Soldier would be 00:01:35.099 --> 00:01:37.310 the perfect thing for this kind of format. 00:01:37.310 --> 00:01:40.480 Look at you. All stealthy. 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:43.191 A little time in Wakanda and you come out White Panther. 00:01:43.191 --> 00:01:45.902 - It's actually White Wolf. - Huh? 00:01:45.902 --> 00:01:47.278 With, quite frankly, 00:01:47.278 --> 00:01:49.864 not a ton of screen time throughout the movies, 00:01:49.864 --> 00:01:51.324 they have become beloved. 00:01:51.324 --> 00:01:52.992 What the hell is that? 00:01:52.992 --> 00:01:54.953 Everyone's got a gimmick now. 00:01:54.953 --> 00:01:57.288 And with the little bit of time they've interacted, 00:01:57.288 --> 00:02:01.376 have sort of created this interesting buddy-cop tumultuous dynamic 00:02:01.376 --> 00:02:03.086 that was so worth exploring. 00:02:03.086 --> 00:02:04.545 Can you move your seat up? 00:02:04.545 --> 00:02:05.546 No. 00:02:06.965 --> 00:02:10.301 From the outset, the goal was to be very grounded. 00:02:11.219 --> 00:02:14.180 Endgame was the battle of the titans 00:02:14.180 --> 00:02:17.767 in a universe that was from a stellar place. 00:02:17.767 --> 00:02:21.354 So, the swing of the bat here was to bring all of that 00:02:21.354 --> 00:02:26.985 into a very relatable, very grounded character place, 00:02:26.985 --> 00:02:29.570 But it was also embedded in a very real world. 00:02:29.570 --> 00:02:32.782 This is a moment where you really could drop it all. 00:02:32.782 --> 00:02:35.243 And we should feel like that's going through your mind. 00:02:35.243 --> 00:02:37.578 - Mmm-hmm. - And therefore he needs to tell her... 00:02:37.578 --> 00:02:40.206 You know, you're feeling, like, "I might have her now", 00:02:40.206 --> 00:02:42.291 and so you can relax your body. And then boom. 00:02:43.209 --> 00:02:44.836 So you kinda *er punch him, right? 00:02:44.836 --> 00:02:48.214 Kari's been great. I think once you see this series, 00:02:48.214 --> 00:02:51.801 you'll realize the emotional depth of these characters. 00:02:51.801 --> 00:02:54.929 It's more of a drama than anything else. 00:02:54.929 --> 00:02:59.225 Kari was able to make us less macho 00:02:59.225 --> 00:03:02.228 and put machismo in the series 00:03:02.228 --> 00:03:04.147 with all the fighting and special effects 00:03:04.147 --> 00:03:06.566 and explosions and all that stuff. 00:03:06.566 --> 00:03:07.859 Not exactly a bad*. 00:03:07.859 --> 00:03:09.235 What? 00:03:09.235 --> 00:03:11.446 But also show the emotional construct 00:03:11.446 --> 00:03:13.489 that makes everyone an individual. 00:03:13.489 --> 00:03:16.617 It was very important to me, and I think to everybody 00:03:16.617 --> 00:03:20.955 to explore what it means to be a hero in today's world. 00:03:20.955 --> 00:03:23.458 If in the past, in the MCU, 00:03:23.458 --> 00:03:25.752 being a hero was very much related 00:03:25.752 --> 00:03:28.171 to being a soldier and being a warrior, 00:03:28.171 --> 00:03:30.965 the new hero is not that. 00:03:30.965 --> 00:03:34.427 The new hero is really a first responder, 00:03:34.427 --> 00:03:38.681 and so it was embedded in our journey for both characters. 00:03:38.681 --> 00:03:41.642 Walker! Help me! 00:03:41.642 --> 00:03:44.270 I think she just saw this 00:03:44.270 --> 00:03:47.648 as two regular guys trying to find their way 00:03:47.648 --> 00:03:49.817 and the main thing that stood out 00:03:49.817 --> 00:03:53.196 to me was this new kind of way of shooting 00:03:53.196 --> 00:03:57.033 where she would capture the characters' inner thoughts and so on. 00:03:57.033 --> 00:03:58.868 And I thought that was really interesting. 00:03:58.868 --> 00:04:04.457 So, now that you've stopped fighting, what do you want? 00:04:09.629 --> 00:04:11.005 Peace. 00:04:11.005 --> 00:04:12.548 That is utter bull... 00:04:13.591 --> 00:04:15.218 As soon as you step 00:04:15.218 --> 00:04:17.720 into the second floor of the Marvel building, 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:20.181 it really does make you feel like 00:04:20.181 --> 00:04:22.517 you've stepped into something that's bigger than you. 00:04:24.227 --> 00:04:27.396 Kevin and the rest of the Marvel team's mandate of, 00:04:27.396 --> 00:04:28.814 "This cannot be TV", 00:04:28.814 --> 00:04:30.358 it has to feel like a movie, 00:04:30.358 --> 00:04:32.568 but the storytelling is inherently spread out. 00:04:32.568 --> 00:04:35.488 I felt particularly equipped to do that. 00:04:35.488 --> 00:04:37.490 I always say, "You break stories two ways". 00:04:37.490 --> 00:04:39.742 You break 'em vertically, which is by each episode, 00:04:39.742 --> 00:04:41.327 and then, you break 'em horizontally. 00:04:41.327 --> 00:04:42.912 And that horizontal break 00:04:42.912 --> 00:04:45.206 with the characters and their relationships, 00:04:45.748 --> 00:04:47.583 every iteration of show we did, 00:04:47.583 --> 00:04:49.752 that maintained and actually got stronger. 00:04:49.752 --> 00:04:51.087 Enjoy your ride, Buck. 00:04:51.087 --> 00:04:53.130 No, no, no, no, you can't call me that. 00:04:53.130 --> 00:04:54.590 Why? That's what Steve called you. 00:04:54.590 --> 00:04:56.926 Steve knew me longer and he had a plan. 00:04:56.926 --> 00:04:59.428 When we were talking about the idea for the show, 00:04:59.428 --> 00:05:02.682 Malcolm Spellman said the thing that resonated for him the most 00:05:02.682 --> 00:05:05.768 with the end of Endgame was Sam's line, 00:05:05.768 --> 00:05:09.313 "It feels like it's someone else's", and the notion of legacy. 00:05:09.313 --> 00:05:10.314 How does it feel? 00:05:12.566 --> 00:05:14.235 Like it's someone else's. 00:05:14.235 --> 00:05:15.611 It isn't. 00:05:20.116 --> 00:05:24.120 That line became sort of the backbone of Sam's arc. 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:26.539 And it was very clear to us 00:05:26.539 --> 00:05:29.292 that if we're gonna tell a story over six hours, 00:05:29.292 --> 00:05:34.297 we owe it to both that mantle and that symbol and that character 00:05:34.297 --> 00:05:36.340 to dissect it from every angle 00:05:36.340 --> 00:05:40.511 before he can arc to a place where he's evolved. 00:05:40.511 --> 00:05:46.726 I'd felt like we would be dishonest to the fans and dishonest to, 00:05:46.726 --> 00:05:48.436 just on a human level, 00:05:48.436 --> 00:05:51.147 if we had this Black man just accept this symbol 00:05:51.147 --> 00:05:53.524 without having real ambivalence about it. 00:05:53.524 --> 00:05:57.611 And we knew that that was gonna be crucial to Sam's burden. 00:05:57.611 --> 00:05:59.071 As a Black man in America, 00:05:59.071 --> 00:06:01.907 to take on the stars and stripes and wear that proudly, 00:06:01.907 --> 00:06:04.660 that's not something that Sam Wilson would do out of the box. 00:06:04.660 --> 00:06:07.747 The notion of exploring what Blackness means in America 00:06:07.747 --> 00:06:09.749 was kind of the hypothesis of the show, 00:06:09.749 --> 00:06:11.417 and the notion of legacy was something 00:06:11.417 --> 00:06:14.045 that both Sam and Bucky, in the show, explore. 00:06:14.045 --> 00:06:18.340 Maybe this is something you or Steve will never understand. 00:06:20.009 --> 00:06:23.137 But can you accept that I did what I thought was right? 00:06:25.598 --> 00:06:27.475 When you think Captain America, 00:06:27.475 --> 00:06:30.561 you think of a very specific brand of person. 00:06:30.561 --> 00:06:33.647 There are so many different lines, so many different avenues, 00:06:33.647 --> 00:06:37.610 so many realities that we have to live in every day 00:06:37.610 --> 00:06:40.613 to be a successful Black man in our society. 00:06:40.613 --> 00:06:44.533 You know, you can't be the same person every room you walk in. 00:06:44.533 --> 00:06:47.161 It's a hard duality that you have to live in 00:06:47.161 --> 00:06:50.331 and sometimes specifically, for somebody like Sam, 00:06:50.331 --> 00:06:51.832 you have to ask yourself the question, 00:06:51.832 --> 00:06:53.834 if that's something you're willing to deal with it. 00:06:53.834 --> 00:06:58.088 - Hey, it's Black Falcon. What's up? - It's just Falcon, kid. 00:06:58.088 --> 00:07:01.467 I mean, I think 2020 and COVID, if nothing else, 00:07:01.467 --> 00:07:07.640 have proven how difficult it is to be a Black man in America. 00:07:07.640 --> 00:07:12.102 It's not a new understanding or experience for anybody Black. 00:07:12.102 --> 00:07:14.897 - Hey, is this guy bothering you? - No, he's not bothering me. 00:07:14.897 --> 00:07:16.440 Do you know who this is? 00:07:16.440 --> 00:07:18.234 Hey, these guys are Avengers. 00:07:20.444 --> 00:07:22.947 Oh, God, I am so sorry, Mr. Wilson. 00:07:22.947 --> 00:07:25.699 I didn't recognize you without the goggles. 00:07:25.699 --> 00:07:27.910 With Sam picking up the shield, 00:07:27.910 --> 00:07:32.665 it's such a representation of the country that we live in, 00:07:32.665 --> 00:07:35.626 you know, there's a lot of trepidation 00:07:35.626 --> 00:07:37.628 as far as, "How does a Black man 00:07:37.628 --> 00:07:41.924 represent a country that does not represent him?" 00:07:41.924 --> 00:07:45.636 We knew the journey that Sam was gonna go on 00:07:45.636 --> 00:07:47.721 was going to be particularly rough for him 00:07:47.721 --> 00:07:51.892 just because of the fact that he is a Black superhero, right? 00:07:51.892 --> 00:07:55.688 Well, Anthony's backstory is rooted in Louisiana, 00:07:55.688 --> 00:07:57.314 and we merged some of that 00:07:57.314 --> 00:07:59.400 so that it could become really, really personal. 00:07:59.400 --> 00:08:02.278 Then they start telling you what they've done with the characters, 00:08:02.278 --> 00:08:04.280 and from that a whole life is born. 00:08:04.738 --> 00:08:06.824 I told you specifically that the water pump 00:08:06.824 --> 00:08:09.326 was not the problem, and yet, here you are. 00:08:09.326 --> 00:08:11.245 In our defense, we were supposed to 00:08:11.245 --> 00:08:13.706 have this done way before you woke up. 00:08:13.706 --> 00:08:16.667 I don't come up to the sky to tell you how to barrel roll or whatever, 00:08:16.667 --> 00:08:18.877 so you don't come down here and start messing around with things 00:08:18.877 --> 00:08:20.796 - you clearly don't understand. - Wow... 00:08:20.796 --> 00:08:22.298 You know, Adepero came in 00:08:22.298 --> 00:08:24.550 and gave an amazing performance as my sister 00:08:24.550 --> 00:08:27.553 and really gave that character a backbone 00:08:27.553 --> 00:08:30.514 that kind of defined the entire history 00:08:30.514 --> 00:08:33.058 of what this character, Sam Wilson, 00:08:33.058 --> 00:08:35.853 really is from Winter Soldier till now. 00:08:35.853 --> 00:08:38.731 - I thought you said you're a pilot. - I never said pilot. 00:08:38.731 --> 00:08:41.150 You see how all of that 00:08:41.150 --> 00:08:44.403 became this man from where he was from. 00:08:44.403 --> 00:08:47.948 I've enjoyed learning who Sam Wilson truly is. 00:08:47.948 --> 00:08:51.118 What would be the point of all the pain and sacrifice 00:08:52.244 --> 00:08:54.580 if I wasn't willing to stand up and keep fightin'? 00:08:55.873 --> 00:08:58.459 Sam's search for identity is about his future 00:08:58.459 --> 00:09:01.337 and Bucky's search for identity is about his past. 00:09:01.337 --> 00:09:04.089 And for Bucky, what we don't want to do 00:09:04.089 --> 00:09:06.133 is abandon ten years of storytelling. 00:09:06.133 --> 00:09:09.136 It was really important that we tackle those ten years of storytelling 00:09:09.136 --> 00:09:13.390 and allow Bucky to process the events of his life 00:09:13.390 --> 00:09:16.769 in a way that he hasn't had time to in the two hour stories 00:09:16.769 --> 00:09:18.228 that he's been a part of in the past. 00:09:18.228 --> 00:09:19.980 When we were making First Avenger, 00:09:19.980 --> 00:09:22.358 there are always ideas of what could happen one day 00:09:22.358 --> 00:09:24.651 if we were so lucky to make a sequel. 00:09:24.651 --> 00:09:27.279 But the truth is, you're trying to get that movie right the first time. 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:28.989 You're not sure where any of this is gonna lead. 00:09:28.989 --> 00:09:34.369 Sergeant Barnes, you are to be the new fist of HYDRA. 00:09:34.995 --> 00:09:38.040 We'd be lying to say we didn't talk about where Bucky could go, 00:09:38.040 --> 00:09:39.708 but we didn't know how far we could 00:09:39.708 --> 00:09:41.668 take him and where he might end up. 00:09:41.668 --> 00:09:43.962 And when you see Sebastian portraying the Winter Soldier, 00:09:43.962 --> 00:09:46.632 which to us was even an extra level, 00:09:46.632 --> 00:09:48.717 we knew there was something to explore there. 00:09:48.717 --> 00:09:50.803 - What did I do? - Enough. 00:09:50.803 --> 00:09:52.763 Oh, God. I knew this would happen. 00:09:52.763 --> 00:09:55.224 Everything HYDRA put inside me is still there. 00:09:55.224 --> 00:09:57.351 The relationship between Bucky and Steve 00:09:57.351 --> 00:10:00.229 is so dramatic and so filled with pathos, 00:10:00.229 --> 00:10:01.480 if you think about it, 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.025 the only person who had believed in Bucky in the MCU up to this point 00:10:05.025 --> 00:10:06.276 was Steve Rogers. 00:10:06.276 --> 00:10:07.820 Well, now Steve Rogers is gone. 00:10:07.820 --> 00:10:11.323 Bucky feels unmoored in this series and is looking for his purpose. 00:10:11.323 --> 00:10:15.911 That shield's the closest thing I've got left to a family. 00:10:17.746 --> 00:10:19.123 So when you retired it, 00:10:20.999 --> 00:10:23.126 it made me feel like I had nothing left. 00:10:23.126 --> 00:10:25.754 What was challenging for me was the balance between 00:10:25.754 --> 00:10:28.131 introducing the characters in a new way, 00:10:28.131 --> 00:10:32.052 and yet making you still be aware of where they come from. You know? 00:10:32.052 --> 00:10:35.305 I always think with these movies, every time I come back, 00:10:35.305 --> 00:10:36.473 I'm always thinking, 00:10:36.473 --> 00:10:39.601 "Okay, what if a fan sits down and watches 00:10:39.601 --> 00:10:42.145 Captain America: First Avenger, Winter Soldier, Civil War, 00:10:42.145 --> 00:10:43.897 The Avengers, now this, 00:10:43.897 --> 00:10:47.526 are they gonna be able to see that same character throughout, 00:10:47.526 --> 00:10:51.196 and then see that character evolve in new ways 00:10:51.196 --> 00:10:53.240 but still be the same character?" 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:55.075 I am no longer the Winter Soldier. 00:10:55.075 --> 00:10:56.410 I'm James Bucky Barnes. 00:10:56.410 --> 00:10:59.288 And you're part of my efforts to make amends. 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.417 How does this character now function in the world? 00:11:03.417 --> 00:11:05.502 What's his life going back to Brooklyn? 00:11:05.502 --> 00:11:08.714 How is he meeting people? How is he interacting at coffee shops? 00:11:08.714 --> 00:11:12.092 Is he dating? Is he thinking about another career? 00:11:12.092 --> 00:11:14.052 Look, you've gotta nurture friendships. 00:11:14.052 --> 00:11:16.930 I am the only person you have called all week. 00:11:16.930 --> 00:11:18.307 That is so sad. 00:11:19.516 --> 00:11:23.270 Bucky got this line in the show where he tells the shrink... 00:11:23.270 --> 00:11:24.521 I had a little... 00:11:26.106 --> 00:11:28.358 calm in Wakanda. 00:11:29.901 --> 00:11:30.902 And other than that, 00:11:30.944 --> 00:11:34.448 I just went from one fight to another for 90 years. 00:11:34.448 --> 00:11:38.285 So the series is now his first chance to deal with that, 00:11:38.285 --> 00:11:40.704 whether or not he really is a killer in his DNA, 00:11:40.704 --> 00:11:42.873 whether or not he can be a hero, right? 00:11:42.873 --> 00:11:45.000 Like, "Am I even cut out?" 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:47.294 There's always gonna be a dark side to this character 00:11:47.294 --> 00:11:48.879 which I always loved, 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.299 and is, to me, what made him more interesting and complex. 00:11:52.299 --> 00:11:55.677 And, you know, like, life, I feel like that doesn't go away. 00:11:55.677 --> 00:11:57.554 It's still there in a way. 00:11:57.554 --> 00:11:59.765 He's just learning how to deal with that a little more. 00:12:02.768 --> 00:12:04.478 Bucky is very much trying to come to grips 00:12:04.478 --> 00:12:06.271 with the things that he has done 00:12:06.271 --> 00:12:07.439 that can't be undone. 00:12:07.439 --> 00:12:10.859 And Sam Wilson becomes a big part of his journey 00:12:10.859 --> 00:12:13.236 towards figuring out who Bucky Barnes is 00:12:13.236 --> 00:12:14.821 outside of the Winter Soldier moniker. 00:12:18.283 --> 00:12:20.202 You up for a little tough love? 00:12:22.079 --> 00:12:23.955 You want to climb out of that hell you're in, 00:12:24.915 --> 00:12:25.916 do the work. 00:12:27.084 --> 00:12:28.085 Do it. 00:12:29.378 --> 00:12:30.629 I've been making amends. 00:12:30.629 --> 00:12:32.923 Nah. You weren't amending, you were avenging. 00:12:36.468 --> 00:12:39.179 "Don't worry about me. Just keep on doin' what you're doing". 00:12:39.179 --> 00:12:40.639 That's not me, that's in the script. 00:12:42.516 --> 00:12:45.602 The Winter Soldier and Falcon are incredibly watchable 00:12:45.602 --> 00:12:50.732 as a reluctant team who are out to save the world, frankly. 00:12:50.732 --> 00:12:52.526 Hey, John! 00:12:53.068 --> 00:12:54.820 How'd you find us this time? 00:12:54.820 --> 00:12:57.280 I really wanted to do it like that. 00:12:57.280 --> 00:12:58.406 You broke my thing. 00:12:58.406 --> 00:13:00.367 It's been not just fun, 00:13:00.367 --> 00:13:04.871 but also very emotionally charged at times as we explore this. 00:13:04.871 --> 00:13:06.873 Because it's one thing to see it on paper 00:13:06.873 --> 00:13:09.584 and then, as you know, Sebastian and Anthony 00:13:09.584 --> 00:13:11.086 get a hold of the material, 00:13:11.086 --> 00:13:13.755 they embrace it and embody it in a way 00:13:13.755 --> 00:13:15.340 that we can't possibly have imagined. 00:13:15.340 --> 00:13:17.509 So, every day a scene unfolds, 00:13:17.509 --> 00:13:19.803 that is something I didn't anticipate 00:13:19.803 --> 00:13:21.388 and it always gets better. 00:13:21.388 --> 00:13:24.558 I gotta say, this is a very Bad Boys II shot. 00:13:24.558 --> 00:13:25.976 This was a two-hander. 00:13:25.976 --> 00:13:28.603 Two-hander don't mean just these two characters. 00:13:28.603 --> 00:13:32.440 There's a spirit and an energy that comes from a two-hander. 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:34.317 Like here's the spectrum, right? 00:13:34.317 --> 00:13:37.529 Defiant Ones. 48 Hrs. 00:13:37.529 --> 00:13:39.906 This... And comedy's over here, right? 00:13:39.906 --> 00:13:42.784 48 Hrs., Lethal Weapon. 00:13:42.784 --> 00:13:47.164 Then comes Rush Hour, Ride Along and so on, right? 00:13:47.164 --> 00:13:49.791 We knew we wanted to be somewhere near Lethal Weapon. 00:13:49.791 --> 00:13:51.668 It's time for the soul gazing exercise. 00:13:51.668 --> 00:13:52.752 I like this one. 00:13:52.752 --> 00:13:54.170 He's gonna love this. 00:13:54.170 --> 00:13:57.841 - Yeah, I'm ready. - Just face each other. 00:13:57.841 --> 00:13:59.217 You should really enjoy this. 00:13:59.217 --> 00:14:01.970 I really do genuinely love working with Anthony. 00:14:01.970 --> 00:14:03.805 I mean, like there are definitely days 00:14:03.805 --> 00:14:07.142 where I feel like he's gonna kill me. 00:14:07.142 --> 00:14:12.439 Um... Not physically. Just like his presence. You know? 00:14:12.439 --> 00:14:13.940 We have to get it with the light. 00:14:13.940 --> 00:14:16.067 All right, just wanna make sure we're... 00:14:16.067 --> 00:14:19.738 It establishes the location. This is his first movie. 00:14:21.156 --> 00:14:22.407 Yolo! 00:14:22.407 --> 00:14:26.328 The two of them are so good at bouncing off of each other 00:14:26.328 --> 00:14:28.163 and going on a path of discovery. 00:14:28.163 --> 00:14:29.664 Make sure you record all of this. 00:14:29.664 --> 00:14:30.707 Quiet! 00:14:30.707 --> 00:14:32.626 And Daniel Brühl the same, oh, my gosh. 00:14:32.626 --> 00:14:36.087 The three of them together are at times so hilarious, 00:14:36.087 --> 00:14:39.424 I have to kind of pull them all back and remind them, "Wait a sec. 00:14:39.424 --> 00:14:41.593 "We can't be having this much fun". 00:14:43.261 --> 00:14:45.722 In the Falcon and Winter Soldier writers' room, 00:14:45.722 --> 00:14:48.975 we were inspired by key art done from Civil War of Zemo. 00:14:48.975 --> 00:14:50.560 That was very much on the wall. 00:14:50.560 --> 00:14:52.020 How do we get this 00:14:52.020 --> 00:14:54.856 great iconography again back into the show? 00:14:54.856 --> 00:14:56.733 And Zemo, the character, in Civil War, 00:14:56.733 --> 00:14:58.568 is such a complicated and interesting character, 00:14:58.568 --> 00:15:01.488 'cause he's a villain, but his point of view is very defensible. 00:15:01.488 --> 00:15:04.115 I'm here because I made a promise. 00:15:04.115 --> 00:15:05.200 You lost someone? 00:15:05.867 --> 00:15:07.702 I lost everyone. 00:15:07.702 --> 00:15:10.330 He was fighting to avenge these people he loved. 00:15:10.330 --> 00:15:11.665 It came from a place of love, 00:15:11.665 --> 00:15:14.918 even if it manifested in this horrible, tragic way, 00:15:14.918 --> 00:15:16.711 it was important for us to maintain 00:15:16.711 --> 00:15:19.172 that layered complexity of the character. 00:15:19.172 --> 00:15:22.592 It took me two days until I found their bodies. 00:15:25.220 --> 00:15:26.221 My father... 00:15:27.514 --> 00:15:30.975 still holding my wife and son in his arms. 00:15:35.563 --> 00:15:37.023 And the Avengers? 00:15:38.691 --> 00:15:39.692 They went home. 00:15:40.652 --> 00:15:42.695 I think we would've always have tried to figure out 00:15:42.695 --> 00:15:44.572 how to get Zemo into the show, 00:15:44.572 --> 00:15:46.991 but the truth is as we started to build the story, 00:15:46.991 --> 00:15:49.202 there was a very natural way to slide him in. 00:15:49.202 --> 00:15:52.455 You are assuming HYDRA has something to do with this... 00:15:53.623 --> 00:15:57.919 which is why you came to me, which means you are desperate. 00:15:58.670 --> 00:16:03.133 Luckily for you, I know where to begin. 00:16:03.133 --> 00:16:05.051 I was very excited when I got the call 00:16:05.051 --> 00:16:07.387 to come back and to read those scripts, 00:16:07.387 --> 00:16:10.432 in which you have a lot of 00:16:10.432 --> 00:16:13.226 meaty scenes and time to spend with Zemo. 00:16:13.226 --> 00:16:16.938 He was a charismatic and pivotal role 00:16:16.938 --> 00:16:18.481 in Captain America: Civil War. 00:16:18.481 --> 00:16:21.609 You know, back then I thought I'd like to know more about him 00:16:21.609 --> 00:16:23.319 and explore this character more. 00:16:23.319 --> 00:16:24.863 I loved playing him, 00:16:24.863 --> 00:16:27.448 but there was that slight bittersweet feeling 00:16:27.448 --> 00:16:30.118 at the very end when I finished, thinking like, 00:16:30.118 --> 00:16:31.744 "Oh, man, now I've played this guy, 00:16:31.744 --> 00:16:34.414 but I never wore this mask". 00:16:39.419 --> 00:16:42.172 He really blows me away in this thing 00:16:42.172 --> 00:16:46.384 because he found a whole different side of Zemo 00:16:46.384 --> 00:16:47.969 that you didn't even see coming. 00:16:47.969 --> 00:16:49.888 So all this time you've been rich? 00:16:49.888 --> 00:16:51.097 I'm a baron, Sam. 00:16:51.097 --> 00:16:54.100 My family was royalty until your friends destroyed my country. 00:16:54.100 --> 00:16:56.519 And he's really made this character 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.981 so dynamic and funny and different. 00:16:59.981 --> 00:17:04.444 And there's a very human side to Zemo that's really cool. 00:17:08.323 --> 00:17:10.825 John Walker was sort of an obvious choice 00:17:10.825 --> 00:17:12.118 for us to include in the series, 00:17:12.118 --> 00:17:15.580 not only because of his connection to the publishing run, 00:17:15.580 --> 00:17:19.626 but also because he feeds directly into the conversation 00:17:19.626 --> 00:17:21.878 about what the shield means today. 00:17:21.878 --> 00:17:27.133 And he embodies a genuine desire to be good and to do good, 00:17:27.133 --> 00:17:29.010 but that's not enough to be Cap. 00:17:29.010 --> 00:17:30.845 The serum never corrupted Steve. 00:17:30.845 --> 00:17:31.846 Touché. 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.433 But there has never been another Steve Rogers, has there? 00:17:35.475 --> 00:17:37.352 We thought Wyatt was an interesting choice 00:17:37.352 --> 00:17:38.728 because a lot of his work beforehand, 00:17:38.728 --> 00:17:41.731 he plays, the stoner-slacker with the long hair and the beard. 00:17:41.731 --> 00:17:44.734 But what we found in reading him, is there is an energy, 00:17:44.734 --> 00:17:45.818 there's an edge to him 00:17:45.818 --> 00:17:48.404 that neither Sam Wilson nor Bucky Barnes has. 00:17:48.404 --> 00:17:49.822 And we felt that was important 00:17:49.822 --> 00:17:52.450 so that John Walker stood apart from these two characters. 00:17:52.450 --> 00:17:54.702 And to some degree, John Walker is coming into the show 00:17:54.702 --> 00:17:56.037 with a chip on his shoulder 00:17:56.037 --> 00:17:58.373 to prove that he is worthy of this mantle. 00:17:58.373 --> 00:17:59.707 Just 'cause you carry that shield, 00:17:59.707 --> 00:18:01.751 it doesn't mean you're Captain America. 00:18:01.751 --> 00:18:03.211 Look, I've done the work. 00:18:03.211 --> 00:18:07.757 I gravitate towards characters who need to make difficult decisions 00:18:07.757 --> 00:18:09.717 and they have to be one thing 00:18:09.717 --> 00:18:13.137 while trying simultaneously to toe the line over to the other. 00:18:13.137 --> 00:18:15.723 You already have three Medals of Honor. 00:18:15.723 --> 00:18:19.811 You consistently make the right decisions in the heat of battle. 00:18:21.562 --> 00:18:22.563 Yep. 00:18:23.856 --> 00:18:26.067 Three badges of excellence 00:18:26.067 --> 00:18:28.778 to make sure I never forget the worst day of my life. 00:18:28.778 --> 00:18:31.656 I had no idea the character I was playing. 00:18:31.656 --> 00:18:33.950 I was just excited to be a part of this Marvel thing. 00:18:33.950 --> 00:18:35.785 So I had no idea that 00:18:35.785 --> 00:18:38.538 I was actually going to be an integral character at all. 00:18:38.538 --> 00:18:40.832 They were like "Well, actually, you're Lemar Hoskins". 00:18:40.832 --> 00:18:43.209 And I was like "Shoot! I know Lemar Hoskins". 00:18:43.209 --> 00:18:46.295 'Cause I literally have the comic books. I have them. 00:18:46.295 --> 00:18:48.631 I have the editions that he's in. 00:18:49.173 --> 00:18:50.425 You know, that famous one, 00:18:50.425 --> 00:18:52.009 the Captain America one, 00:18:52.009 --> 00:18:54.137 him and they're on the cover, I have that. 00:18:54.595 --> 00:18:56.597 All right, so I was just totally psyched. 00:18:56.597 --> 00:18:58.933 And I was like, "I hope I get a suit. 00:18:58.933 --> 00:19:00.643 I hope they make me a suit". 00:19:03.271 --> 00:19:06.607 The costume puts you in, like, that superhero posture. 00:19:06.607 --> 00:19:08.985 That sort of feels weird if you just do it on your own. 00:19:08.985 --> 00:19:10.361 A word of advice then, 00:19:12.488 --> 00:19:13.948 stay the hell out of my way. 00:19:13.990 --> 00:19:17.660 There's a lot of similarities, construction-wise, 00:19:17.660 --> 00:19:20.079 with John Walker's costume and 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:22.623 all the previous Captain America costumes. 00:19:22.623 --> 00:19:27.044 I wanted to keep continuity of feeling and look. 00:19:27.044 --> 00:19:30.089 So we used a lot of the same prints and the fabrics 00:19:30.089 --> 00:19:33.342 and colors that we've used before. 00:19:33.342 --> 00:19:35.803 I think we did tweak the red a little bit 00:19:35.803 --> 00:19:37.805 and made it a little brighter 00:19:37.805 --> 00:19:40.433 and patriotic than some of the previous costumes. 00:19:40.433 --> 00:19:44.604 Definitely, definitely helped the attitude of the character 00:19:44.604 --> 00:19:46.731 'cause it was just a little bit more arrogant 00:19:46.731 --> 00:19:49.150 than I think that I would've been 00:19:49.150 --> 00:19:50.735 if I hadn't had a little help. 00:19:50.735 --> 00:19:52.361 It's really important, I think, 00:19:52.361 --> 00:19:54.238 that when setting up a world, 00:19:54.238 --> 00:19:57.366 you get into the characterization as quickly as possible. 00:19:57.366 --> 00:20:01.078 And they both explored the conundrum of being a soldier, 00:20:01.078 --> 00:20:04.749 and how difficult it is to walk the lines of following orders 00:20:04.749 --> 00:20:07.043 as well as doing the right thing. 00:20:08.419 --> 00:20:10.504 I killed him because I had to. 00:20:11.130 --> 00:20:12.256 He killed Lemar. 00:20:12.256 --> 00:20:14.842 Lemar is his voice of reason, right? 00:20:14.842 --> 00:20:17.261 And then all of a sudden, he's gone. 00:20:17.261 --> 00:20:18.804 First of all, there's a lot of vengeance 00:20:18.804 --> 00:20:20.431 'cause now you've just killed my best friend, 00:20:20.431 --> 00:20:23.768 but then there's a raging insecurity that just takes over. 00:20:23.768 --> 00:20:25.186 He wants to represent the shield 00:20:25.186 --> 00:20:26.646 the best way that he possibly can. 00:20:26.646 --> 00:20:28.314 And the really interesting part is 00:20:28.314 --> 00:20:32.026 in his mind, he kinda did because that's what he was trained to do. 00:20:41.744 --> 00:20:44.997 These boots are not made for walkin'. 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.711 Typically, we go back to publishing and look for characters 00:20:50.711 --> 00:20:54.465 that thematically matched the things we're trying to do in the show 00:20:54.465 --> 00:20:56.300 and then put our own Marvel spin on them. 00:20:56.300 --> 00:20:59.095 Valentina Allegra de Fontaine. 00:20:59.095 --> 00:21:03.015 Actually, it's Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine. 00:21:03.516 --> 00:21:06.686 I know it's hard, but I don't like to repeat myself, 00:21:06.686 --> 00:21:08.020 so you can just call me Val. 00:21:08.020 --> 00:21:12.316 We needed a character to be this sort of "Nick Fury", 00:21:12.316 --> 00:21:16.278 but shady type, to sort of enter John's world. 00:21:16.278 --> 00:21:18.781 First of all, the name alone, 00:21:18.781 --> 00:21:23.953 Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine is just... 00:21:23.953 --> 00:21:26.622 I mean, they had me there, 00:21:26.622 --> 00:21:28.791 just with the name, to be honest with you. 00:21:28.791 --> 00:21:33.379 You did the right thing taking the serum. 00:21:33.379 --> 00:21:35.214 Yeah, of course I know about that. 00:21:35.214 --> 00:21:36.340 And I'll tell you something. 00:21:36.340 --> 00:21:40.344 It has made you very, very valuable to certain people. 00:21:40.344 --> 00:21:42.012 Whether she's a good guy 00:21:42.012 --> 00:21:44.140 or a bad guy remains to be seen. 00:21:44.140 --> 00:21:46.559 She's sort of living in a gray zone, I think. 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:49.145 Couldn't have planned it better myself. 00:21:49.145 --> 00:21:53.524 Maybe I did. No, I didn't. I'm just kidding. Or am I? 00:21:53.524 --> 00:21:56.026 I like the idea of a female mastermind. 00:21:56.026 --> 00:21:57.862 I think it's about time. 00:21:57.862 --> 00:22:00.030 She's about three steps ahead of everyone. 00:22:00.030 --> 00:22:02.032 And that's gobs of fun to play. 00:22:02.032 --> 00:22:05.035 Things are about to get very weird. 00:22:05.035 --> 00:22:06.954 And, you know, when they do, 00:22:06.954 --> 00:22:09.373 we're not gonna need a Captain America. 00:22:09.373 --> 00:22:10.374 No. 00:22:11.167 --> 00:22:12.710 You know what we're gonna need? 00:22:15.171 --> 00:22:17.131 A U.S. Agent. 00:22:17.965 --> 00:22:20.634 How do you want the rest of this conversation to go, Sam, huh? 00:22:22.887 --> 00:22:24.054 Yeah. 00:22:24.054 --> 00:22:25.556 Should I put down the shield? 00:22:25.556 --> 00:22:27.141 Make it fair? 00:22:33.355 --> 00:22:36.400 So, we're on Zemo's apartment set, 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:39.737 which we built specifically for Zemo, 00:22:39.737 --> 00:22:42.156 also to accommodate a big fight sequence 00:22:42.156 --> 00:22:44.450 that we do in here when the Dora show up. 00:22:46.494 --> 00:22:48.996 We started off training our actors here. 00:22:48.996 --> 00:22:52.041 They do as much as they can, they learn as much as they can, 00:22:52.041 --> 00:22:54.293 and perform as much as they're able to on camera, 00:22:54.293 --> 00:22:55.920 but they got those spears, man. 00:22:55.961 --> 00:22:58.672 When you're choreographing the fight scene 00:22:58.672 --> 00:23:00.341 with spears, you can't fake. 00:23:00.341 --> 00:23:03.511 A spear is a spear. You're gonna... You know what I'm sayin'? 00:23:03.511 --> 00:23:05.804 Working with the Marvel actors 00:23:05.804 --> 00:23:08.641 that have done these characters makes things way easier. 00:23:08.641 --> 00:23:11.560 They know the deal. They know what their characters do in general. 00:23:11.560 --> 00:23:13.646 Oh, God. 00:23:13.646 --> 00:23:15.397 In terms of the ease and efficiency, 00:23:15.397 --> 00:23:17.691 working on a set than working on a stage 00:23:17.691 --> 00:23:20.778 is always easier, always faster, always more controllable. 00:23:20.778 --> 00:23:22.988 And at the end of the day, that's what you need to do. 00:23:22.988 --> 00:23:24.615 You need to control all the elements 00:23:24.615 --> 00:23:26.242 when you're making big action. 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:32.957 So we had three of the Dora, we had all of our guys. 00:23:32.957 --> 00:23:35.751 The room was filled with our characters. 00:23:35.751 --> 00:23:38.003 And then pretty much everybody is smashing everybody else. 00:23:38.003 --> 00:23:39.797 So it was a lot of fun. 00:23:52.393 --> 00:23:54.270 Bast damn you, James. 00:23:55.688 --> 00:23:58.941 It was, in my opinion, a complete no-brainer 00:23:58.941 --> 00:24:00.150 to include the Wakandans. 00:24:00.150 --> 00:24:03.779 I mean, Florence Kasumba is just a force. 00:24:05.531 --> 00:24:07.658 Any time I get to play Ayo, 00:24:07.658 --> 00:24:11.578 it's always like a Christmas present. 00:24:12.037 --> 00:24:14.581 Because it actually doesn't really matter 00:24:14.581 --> 00:24:16.834 where I would have to work. 00:24:16.834 --> 00:24:18.460 I'm always excited. 00:24:18.460 --> 00:24:20.504 Most of the time, when I get the phone call, 00:24:20.504 --> 00:24:22.006 I don't even know the story. 00:24:22.006 --> 00:24:24.049 I only know that I will play the character, 00:24:24.049 --> 00:24:26.260 but I don't really know what's happening. 00:24:26.260 --> 00:24:30.014 And, like the audience, I'm excited 'cause I have no idea. 00:24:30.014 --> 00:24:33.017 I will have to read the books and train, of course. 00:24:33.017 --> 00:24:35.853 I just got used to the fact that when I get the phone call, 00:24:35.853 --> 00:24:37.730 I will always be ready to function, 00:24:37.730 --> 00:24:39.440 just because I train the whole year through, 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:41.400 and am also in contact with the other women, 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:42.860 for example, who played the Dora Milaje. 00:24:42.860 --> 00:24:45.738 It was really important, specifically to Kari 00:24:45.738 --> 00:24:49.074 and to the rest of us as well, that the actors have an opportunity 00:24:49.074 --> 00:24:52.369 to feel the location and to be there in real life. 00:24:52.411 --> 00:24:54.997 Originally, we had planned to go to Puerto Rico for part of the shoot, 00:24:54.997 --> 00:24:56.957 to give the show a bit more scope 00:24:56.957 --> 00:24:58.917 because we were based out of Atlanta. 00:24:58.917 --> 00:25:01.378 And, unfortunately, Puerto Rico went through 00:25:01.378 --> 00:25:04.757 quite a sizeable earthquake that really damaged their infrastructure. 00:25:04.757 --> 00:25:06.675 Our plan was still to go to Puerto Rico 00:25:06.675 --> 00:25:08.427 even after the first earthquake 00:25:08.427 --> 00:25:10.179 because we had done a ton of research 00:25:10.179 --> 00:25:12.389 as to the seismic activity in the area. 00:25:12.389 --> 00:25:16.059 We knew we could get our crews in and out quickly if we had to. 00:25:16.059 --> 00:25:18.562 And, frankly, in talking with the experts, 00:25:18.562 --> 00:25:20.022 even I was comfortable saying, 00:25:20.022 --> 00:25:22.357 "Yeah, I'll go. I'll go with the crew". 00:25:22.357 --> 00:25:26.528 Because, to me, if I'm willing to go, that means something. 00:25:26.528 --> 00:25:28.906 If I'm not willing to go, but I'm gonna send other people, 00:25:28.906 --> 00:25:30.616 that's not a choice we should be making. 00:25:32.201 --> 00:25:34.369 We had prepped the crew to go to Puerto Rico 00:25:34.369 --> 00:25:35.704 in spite of the first earthquake, 00:25:35.704 --> 00:25:38.165 and on the eve of going, they had a second earthquake. 00:25:38.165 --> 00:25:40.542 It just came to the point where, between Disney and all of us, 00:25:40.584 --> 00:25:43.337 we just weren't comfortable sending anybody down there 00:25:43.337 --> 00:25:44.755 and we wanted to bring our crew home 00:25:44.755 --> 00:25:46.673 that was down there because we just didn't know. 00:25:46.673 --> 00:25:49.176 So, we brought everybody back. 00:25:49.218 --> 00:25:52.262 Right as we brought everybody back, 00:25:52.304 --> 00:25:54.890 we regrouped, said "Where can we go now?" 00:25:54.890 --> 00:25:56.141 We had planned Prague, 00:25:56.141 --> 00:25:58.310 and we were gonna move Prague to the end of the schedule 00:25:58.310 --> 00:26:01.063 to replace the work we were gonna do in Puerto Rico. 00:26:01.063 --> 00:26:03.190 We actually made it to Prague. 00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:05.692 We pulled off what seemed to be the impossible. 00:26:05.692 --> 00:26:07.152 We were having a great shoot, 00:26:07.152 --> 00:26:11.281 we were getting a lot of great locations and performances. 00:26:11.281 --> 00:26:13.909 And about a week into our time in Prague, 00:26:13.951 --> 00:26:16.495 you know, the pandemic hit, 00:26:16.495 --> 00:26:18.539 or became very real, 00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:20.791 and caused us to shut down. 00:26:20.791 --> 00:26:23.043 And, frankly, the bigger fear 00:26:23.043 --> 00:26:25.879 at that time was that we would be stuck. 00:26:25.879 --> 00:26:29.216 We called our line producer at 2:00 in the morning for her, and said, 00:26:29.216 --> 00:26:32.386 "We're getting everybody on flights out of Prague at 5:00 a.m. 00:26:32.386 --> 00:26:34.221 You guys are leaving from 5:00 a.m. 00:26:34.221 --> 00:26:36.515 We're gonna start calling every crew member, waking them up, 00:26:36.515 --> 00:26:39.142 to tell them to get their stuff together. 00:26:39.142 --> 00:26:41.520 We're gonna get everybody on flights. 00:26:41.520 --> 00:26:43.605 Between 5:00 a.m. and 9:00 a.m., 00:26:43.605 --> 00:26:44.898 everybody's gonna be on these flights". 00:26:44.898 --> 00:26:46.483 We had about 100 people there 00:26:46.483 --> 00:26:48.819 from the US and we just started flying people back. 00:26:48.819 --> 00:26:53.323 Shutting down for COVID was a big part of the struggle of the show. 00:26:53.323 --> 00:26:55.450 We're glad we did, it was the right thing to do. 00:26:55.450 --> 00:26:57.953 And it, weirdly, gave us more time editorially 00:26:57.953 --> 00:26:59.955 to really think about what the show could be. 00:26:59.955 --> 00:27:03.709 But it also was something we'd never had to fight through before. 00:27:03.709 --> 00:27:06.503 And it's a credit to our crew that they stuck with us, 00:27:06.503 --> 00:27:08.088 they wanted to continue to make the show. 00:27:08.088 --> 00:27:09.423 They were so invested. 00:27:09.423 --> 00:27:11.049 Even when we came back 00:27:11.049 --> 00:27:14.136 and COVID, obviously, was still and is still an issue, 00:27:14.136 --> 00:27:17.180 to figure out how to mount the show safely, 00:27:17.180 --> 00:27:20.350 and to travel internationally safely was a challenge. 00:27:20.350 --> 00:27:22.811 But it was a challenge worth doing 00:27:22.811 --> 00:27:26.106 because I know that it makes the show feel bigger. 00:27:28.817 --> 00:27:32.195 I have to say, it gave us a certain kind of energy, 00:27:32.195 --> 00:27:35.157 which was bonding. 00:27:35.157 --> 00:27:39.036 You know, it's a big crew with lots of personalities. 00:27:39.036 --> 00:27:42.372 And so, when we're all up against 00:27:42.372 --> 00:27:44.833 such extraordinary circumstances, 00:27:44.833 --> 00:27:46.960 it creates a brother and sisterhood 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.129 that is, I think, a bit extraordinary. 00:27:51.798 --> 00:27:54.176 Over the next, obviously, eight months, 00:27:54.176 --> 00:27:55.927 all we were doing with Disney is 00:27:55.927 --> 00:27:58.305 trying to come together with a task force 00:27:58.305 --> 00:28:01.516 as to how we could restart things, and when we'll be able to start. 00:28:01.516 --> 00:28:03.393 We knew we had to go back to Prague. Right? 00:28:03.393 --> 00:28:05.187 We hadn't finished in Prague. 00:28:05.187 --> 00:28:08.523 We had to figure out how to make the Prague government, 00:28:08.523 --> 00:28:10.317 the Czech government comfortable with 00:28:10.317 --> 00:28:12.069 an American crew coming into Prague. 00:28:12.069 --> 00:28:14.780 Because, frankly, Prague didn't have the same incidents of COVID 00:28:14.780 --> 00:28:16.573 that we did at the time. 00:28:16.573 --> 00:28:18.158 A lot of our scouting had to be virtual. 00:28:18.158 --> 00:28:19.659 We couldn't have people flying back and forth 00:28:19.659 --> 00:28:21.286 in the way that we typically would. 00:28:21.286 --> 00:28:23.080 But again, ultimately our team rallied around 00:28:23.080 --> 00:28:25.082 and figured out how to mount this production. 00:28:25.082 --> 00:28:28.460 You know, I will say, a credit to the writers as well, 00:28:28.460 --> 00:28:31.296 because as you're writing, you're writing to a specific location, 00:28:31.296 --> 00:28:33.632 which is gonna dictate a specific story 00:28:33.632 --> 00:28:35.801 to get you into Puerto Rico and then into Prague, 00:28:35.801 --> 00:28:37.886 and you have to be nimble as storytellers. 00:28:37.886 --> 00:28:40.388 And in Kari Skogland's case, as a filmmaker, 00:28:40.388 --> 00:28:42.641 to visually get your head into this new place, 00:28:42.641 --> 00:28:44.184 and to figure out how to make it work 00:28:44.184 --> 00:28:46.436 seamlessly with the stuff that we shot in Atlanta 00:28:46.436 --> 00:28:47.938 that, frankly, was meant to match 00:28:47.938 --> 00:28:49.981 with what we were gonna do in Puerto Rico. 00:28:49.981 --> 00:28:51.858 There was a lot of thinking that went into 00:28:51.858 --> 00:28:54.361 how to adjust our entire production plan 00:28:54.361 --> 00:28:56.404 to fit the realities of the world, 00:28:56.404 --> 00:28:58.448 but a credit to the crew for figuring it out. 00:28:59.658 --> 00:29:03.036 Do we want to live in a world full of people like the Red Skull? 00:29:05.205 --> 00:29:07.374 That is why we're going to Madripoor. 00:29:07.374 --> 00:29:09.167 What's up with Madripoor? 00:29:09.167 --> 00:29:11.127 You guys talk about it like it's Skull Island. 00:29:17.634 --> 00:29:20.178 We are in Madripoor. 00:29:20.178 --> 00:29:23.473 Dangerous, dodgy, lawless place 00:29:23.473 --> 00:29:26.601 where Zemo has arranged a meeting with Selby, 00:29:26.601 --> 00:29:28.645 who's gonna give us, hopefully, 00:29:28.645 --> 00:29:31.273 precious information about the super-soldier serum. 00:29:31.273 --> 00:29:33.775 - Now that's the Zemo I remember. - Hmm. 00:29:33.775 --> 00:29:36.945 I'm glad I decided not to kill you immediately. 00:29:36.945 --> 00:29:39.447 We have to come here and it's not... 00:29:39.447 --> 00:29:42.492 We didn't get a warm welcome. Let's put it that way. 00:29:42.492 --> 00:29:44.160 And it's impressive to see... 00:29:45.537 --> 00:29:47.831 You see? That's what happens in Madripoor. 00:29:47.831 --> 00:29:49.124 High Town's that way. 00:29:49.124 --> 00:29:52.627 Not a bad place if you wanna visit, but Low Town's the other way. 00:29:54.754 --> 00:29:57.882 Let me guess. We don't have any friends in High Town. 00:30:01.136 --> 00:30:04.639 Ray Chan, our production designer, is extraordinary, 00:30:04.639 --> 00:30:07.976 and we looked for months, I have to tell you. 00:30:07.976 --> 00:30:11.479 And one day, we're standing in a back alley 00:30:11.479 --> 00:30:13.898 of a series of crossroads, 00:30:13.898 --> 00:30:16.735 and we looked at each other and I said, "Do you think?" 00:30:16.735 --> 00:30:18.403 And he said, "I think I could". 00:30:18.403 --> 00:30:21.114 And I... "Okay. Oh, my goodness". 00:30:21.114 --> 00:30:23.491 We started looking around and mapping it out. 00:30:23.491 --> 00:30:25.493 And he came up with Madripoor 00:30:25.493 --> 00:30:29.205 in a series of back alleys in a small town outside of Atlanta. 00:30:30.290 --> 00:30:32.334 We want to feel the back street, 00:30:32.334 --> 00:30:33.877 it needs to be more gritty. 00:30:33.877 --> 00:30:37.547 Needs to feel more lawless. It's a lawless society down here. 00:30:37.547 --> 00:30:41.092 Soon as we walked into this empty street, it clearly was empty, 00:30:41.092 --> 00:30:43.762 it was just a two, three, half a dozen buildings, 00:30:43.762 --> 00:30:45.513 of just red brick buildings, 00:30:45.513 --> 00:30:46.890 I thought, "This was tight. 00:30:46.890 --> 00:30:49.434 It felt claustrophobic. What can I do with it?" 00:30:50.310 --> 00:30:51.978 This is called the Brass Monkey Bar. 00:30:51.978 --> 00:30:55.565 It's an open bar. You can see the stars through the ceiling. 00:30:55.565 --> 00:30:57.692 We thought we would look at it with the fixtures 00:30:57.692 --> 00:30:59.819 being able to give enough light, 00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:01.821 and, you know, not to light the set, 00:31:01.821 --> 00:31:04.032 but to have a cool ceiling, a geometric ceiling. 00:31:04.032 --> 00:31:08.870 Here, to your left, are these crazy monkey skulls. 00:31:08.870 --> 00:31:10.330 My art director, Jennifer, 00:31:10.330 --> 00:31:14.542 she scoured the Internet, and we purchased three skulls, 00:31:14.542 --> 00:31:15.627 I think from memory, 00:31:15.627 --> 00:31:18.379 and we sent them to our staff shop, which they cast, 00:31:18.379 --> 00:31:20.965 I think, about 115 or 120 skulls. 00:31:20.965 --> 00:31:24.427 And yeah, so that's a homage to The Brass Monkey. 00:31:24.511 --> 00:31:28.181 We play him as very, sort of, conservative dressed. 00:31:28.181 --> 00:31:30.725 His clothes are, sort of, every day, every man. 00:31:30.725 --> 00:31:34.646 I mean, we did do some crazy stuff with him on this show, 00:31:34.646 --> 00:31:35.980 the wild African suit, 00:31:35.980 --> 00:31:38.608 and he was totally game to go for it. 00:31:38.608 --> 00:31:39.984 - Cut. - Whoo! 00:31:39.984 --> 00:31:42.195 I'm on. Let's roll again. I'm on! 00:31:44.447 --> 00:31:47.867 Sebastian is great to work with 'cause he gets into the character, 00:31:47.867 --> 00:31:51.037 and wants to know why are we picking these things. 00:31:51.037 --> 00:31:54.999 And because he's sort of newly in the modern world, 00:31:54.999 --> 00:32:01.297 I tried to make it feel as classic and vintage as we could. 00:32:01.381 --> 00:32:03.800 Image-wise, it makes it very interesting 00:32:03.842 --> 00:32:07.637 to see these three guys dressing up in a very different way. 00:32:07.637 --> 00:32:08.847 We have to do something about this. 00:32:08.847 --> 00:32:10.265 I'm the only one who looks like a pimp. 00:32:10.265 --> 00:32:12.600 It was fun to have these couple of scenes 00:32:12.600 --> 00:32:14.227 with the full outfit, you know, 00:32:14.227 --> 00:32:15.895 with that incredible coat. 00:32:15.895 --> 00:32:17.897 We had a lot of fun developing it. 00:32:17.897 --> 00:32:23.152 You know, it's kind of based on a World War II Russian military, 00:32:23.152 --> 00:32:25.113 Polish military overcoat, 00:32:25.113 --> 00:32:27.657 and then we tried to make it a little 00:32:27.657 --> 00:32:30.910 comic book-inspired on top of that. 00:32:30.910 --> 00:32:33.454 Yesterday, I had a day off, and I went to a comic shop 00:32:33.496 --> 00:32:37.208 to see if I could find some covers of Zemo. 00:32:37.208 --> 00:32:39.878 So I got myself a couple of comic books with Zemo. 00:32:39.878 --> 00:32:43.756 And it's just great to finally look like him in the comics. 00:32:44.465 --> 00:32:47.093 Hello, guys. Do you like my style? 00:32:47.760 --> 00:32:51.264 You can have it as well. Suitkovia. 00:32:51.264 --> 00:32:56.185 We offer elegant clothes, but also casual clothes. 00:32:56.185 --> 00:33:01.316 Pajamas, sweaters, T-shirt, socks, sneakers, everything. 00:33:02.525 --> 00:33:08.031 Come and visit us in Sokovia. Check out Suitkovia. 00:33:12.493 --> 00:33:13.578 Cut. 00:33:18.291 --> 00:33:20.001 We created this marvelous space 00:33:20.001 --> 00:33:22.253 for our characters to, sort of be off-grid. 00:33:22.253 --> 00:33:23.838 Well, this is too perfect. 00:33:26.716 --> 00:33:27.925 Drop it, Zemo. 00:33:28.718 --> 00:33:29.802 Sharon? 00:33:29.802 --> 00:33:33.222 After a series of mishaps with the S.H.I.E.L.D. and such, 00:33:33.222 --> 00:33:37.226 she has had to go to a place where you can live with impunity. 00:33:37.226 --> 00:33:38.895 I also took the wings for your * 00:33:38.895 --> 00:33:40.938 so that you can save his * from his *. 00:33:41.522 --> 00:33:44.275 Unlike you, I didn't have the Avengers to back me up. 00:33:44.275 --> 00:33:46.027 So I'm off the grid in Madripoor. 00:33:46.027 --> 00:33:48.321 Bringing back Sharon Carter was something that we explored 00:33:48.363 --> 00:33:49.906 even in Avengers three and four. 00:33:49.906 --> 00:33:52.700 And the truth was there were so many characters in those films, 00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:55.161 you couldn't really do her character justice, 00:33:55.161 --> 00:33:56.954 nor where we had left her in Civil War. 00:33:57.038 --> 00:34:00.249 One thing we thought was interesting was positioning Sharon Carter 00:34:00.291 --> 00:34:03.211 as somebody who you think is naturally altruistic, 00:34:03.211 --> 00:34:05.588 but building the mythology of this Power Broker 00:34:05.588 --> 00:34:07.006 who also plays in Madripoor, 00:34:07.006 --> 00:34:09.008 a new corner of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. 00:34:09.008 --> 00:34:10.968 And the mystery of who the Power Broker is, 00:34:11.010 --> 00:34:13.596 we hope is satisfyingly revealed in episode six. 00:34:13.596 --> 00:34:14.806 Drop your weapon, Karli. 00:34:16.099 --> 00:34:17.600 I thought for sure 00:34:17.600 --> 00:34:20.019 the Power Broker storyline was not gonna work. 00:34:20.019 --> 00:34:22.230 Sometimes, we would be too heavy-handed. 00:34:22.230 --> 00:34:24.190 You're like, "Nah, we see it coming". 00:34:24.190 --> 00:34:26.025 And sometimes, it would be too thin. 00:34:26.025 --> 00:34:28.319 And then, the more we start to work on it, 00:34:28.319 --> 00:34:29.404 the more you start to work on it, 00:34:29.404 --> 00:34:30.863 you're like, "Oh, this is great". 00:34:30.863 --> 00:34:33.032 Come back and work for me again. All of you. 00:34:33.032 --> 00:34:34.826 We can make a difference together. 00:34:35.368 --> 00:34:38.037 You just want me because you need your muscle back. 00:34:38.037 --> 00:34:39.247 Without us Super Soldiers, 00:34:39.247 --> 00:34:41.833 how much power does the Power Broker really have? 00:34:43.543 --> 00:34:44.836 More than you. 00:34:44.836 --> 00:34:47.255 We knew we needed an antagonist 00:34:47.255 --> 00:34:49.132 to challenge the notion of symbols 00:34:49.132 --> 00:34:50.925 and ideology in the show. 00:34:50.925 --> 00:34:53.511 And the Flag Smasher from the comics, Karl Morgenthau, 00:34:53.511 --> 00:34:56.681 is much different, visually and in conceit, 00:34:56.681 --> 00:34:58.766 than Karli Morgenthau is in the MCU. 00:34:58.766 --> 00:35:00.893 But the root of that character is the same. 00:35:02.520 --> 00:35:04.647 You're becoming a bit of a legend. 00:35:04.647 --> 00:35:07.650 I hear more and more people talk about the freedom fighters 00:35:07.650 --> 00:35:08.818 who are pushing back. 00:35:08.818 --> 00:35:12.572 Nothing in this show works without Erin Kellyman. 00:35:13.573 --> 00:35:15.533 What we were looking for was 00:35:15.575 --> 00:35:18.077 kind of that innocent face that she has. 00:35:18.077 --> 00:35:21.164 I wanted her to be unexpected. 00:35:21.164 --> 00:35:22.456 You okay? 00:35:25.668 --> 00:35:29.714 It had to be someone who, besides being instantly likable, 00:35:29.714 --> 00:35:33.968 was someone who, in her eyes, has the resolve 00:35:33.968 --> 00:35:38.431 and the toughness of having had, perhaps, a background 00:35:38.431 --> 00:35:40.933 that is written in her face. 00:35:41.642 --> 00:35:43.686 It doesn't have to be a war, Karli. 00:35:43.686 --> 00:35:45.313 They started a war as soon as they kicked us 00:35:45.313 --> 00:35:47.481 out of our new homes and onto the street. 00:35:47.481 --> 00:35:49.942 People all around the world need me. Millions of them. 00:35:49.942 --> 00:35:52.278 I can't speak for millions, but I understand you. 00:35:55.156 --> 00:35:58.868 Can't have a hero and a villain in the room together, 00:35:58.868 --> 00:36:01.787 having a conversation, and be honest 00:36:01.787 --> 00:36:04.582 unless it is earned at every level. 00:36:04.582 --> 00:36:07.084 And the first level is the actor. 00:36:07.084 --> 00:36:09.921 I'm trying to figure out if I need to kill your brother. 00:36:11.964 --> 00:36:13.215 I thought I could trust him. 00:36:13.215 --> 00:36:17.261 I'd had, like, a few FaceTimes with Kari and Zoie. 00:36:17.720 --> 00:36:20.097 But obviously, you can't put anything on that. 00:36:20.097 --> 00:36:22.183 So when I got told that I got it, I was like, 00:36:22.183 --> 00:36:24.977 "This is gonna be wild". 00:36:24.977 --> 00:36:27.605 Like, I think it didn't sink in straightaway. 00:36:27.605 --> 00:36:29.732 I don't even feel like it's fully sunk in now. 00:36:30.816 --> 00:36:32.401 Oh, it's very dramatic. 00:36:32.401 --> 00:36:35.029 I knew that it was a comic character, 00:36:35.071 --> 00:36:36.530 so I'd done like a bunch of research. 00:36:36.530 --> 00:36:38.741 When I realized it was a guy, I was like, okay, 00:36:38.741 --> 00:36:40.409 this is pretty sick that, first of all, 00:36:40.409 --> 00:36:42.078 they've turned him into a girl. 00:36:42.078 --> 00:36:43.454 The movement is ready. 00:36:45.414 --> 00:36:46.874 They're not going to stop. 00:36:47.583 --> 00:36:48.876 Not unless we make them. 00:36:48.876 --> 00:36:51.504 In the comics, in the research that I did, 00:36:51.504 --> 00:36:55.591 it was kind of more pressing towards a villain. 00:36:55.591 --> 00:36:58.010 And now that I've kind of got the scripts 00:36:58.010 --> 00:36:59.929 and understand her a little more, 00:36:59.929 --> 00:37:02.556 I know that it's all out of a good place. You know? 00:37:02.556 --> 00:37:04.767 Do you remember how scared we were when we took the serum? 00:37:04.767 --> 00:37:06.769 Yeah, don't think I'll forget that. 00:37:06.769 --> 00:37:08.729 Felt like my veins were on fire. 00:37:10.773 --> 00:37:12.358 I prayed it'd kill me. 00:37:14.902 --> 00:37:16.028 But it was worth it. 00:37:17.238 --> 00:37:19.323 In constructing the character, 00:37:19.323 --> 00:37:20.950 we were like, "Let's make her a kid". 00:37:20.950 --> 00:37:26.580 And, "Let's make her tap into the spirit of how people feel today". 00:37:26.580 --> 00:37:29.458 And even though the pandemic hadn't hit yet, 00:37:29.458 --> 00:37:34.338 that all just exacerbated a feeling folks were having. 00:37:34.338 --> 00:37:37.299 And if you're Black, you've been having it your whole life, 00:37:37.299 --> 00:37:39.552 which is, the game is rigged, 00:37:40.094 --> 00:37:44.432 the people who are at the top are becoming irresponsible. 00:37:44.432 --> 00:37:46.267 We accept that the game is rigged, 00:37:46.267 --> 00:37:48.352 but now, they're getting irresponsible 00:37:48.352 --> 00:37:50.604 in how much they're taking from us, 00:37:50.604 --> 00:37:53.023 and people just have to push back. 00:37:53.023 --> 00:37:56.152 And we wrote Karli as a hero. 00:37:56.152 --> 00:37:58.487 She is a hero that goes bad. 00:37:58.487 --> 00:37:59.738 I don't wanna hurt you. 00:38:00.531 --> 00:38:03.117 You're just a tool in the regimes I'm looking to destroy. 00:38:03.909 --> 00:38:05.411 You're not hiding behind a shield. 00:38:05.411 --> 00:38:06.996 The legacy of Steve Rogers is 00:38:06.996 --> 00:38:09.957 people have always tried to recreate that serum 00:38:09.957 --> 00:38:11.417 and it has never gone well. 00:38:11.417 --> 00:38:14.670 You can ask Bruce Banner, who, to some degree, became the Hulk 00:38:14.712 --> 00:38:16.547 because General Thaddeus Ross 00:38:16.547 --> 00:38:18.966 wanted to develop his own super-soldier serum. 00:38:18.966 --> 00:38:21.719 Steve has always been the pinnacle of what should be. 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:23.721 We thought it was interesting, again, 00:38:23.721 --> 00:38:25.723 in dealing with the legacy of the shield 00:38:25.723 --> 00:38:28.225 to see what happens if somebody successfully 00:38:28.225 --> 00:38:30.936 did figure out how to break the super-soldier serum code, 00:38:30.936 --> 00:38:33.522 and who those Super Soldiers then become. 00:38:33.522 --> 00:38:35.441 It doesn't even matter if we die. 00:38:35.441 --> 00:38:38.152 The movement is strong enough to continue without us. 00:38:38.152 --> 00:38:41.363 And I think that's what makes the Flag Smashers so interesting. 00:38:41.363 --> 00:38:45.492 Is you get to explore the different side of what happens when people 00:38:45.492 --> 00:38:48.537 who, frankly, sometimes are downtrodden or overlooked 00:38:48.537 --> 00:38:50.915 are given power that they don't typically have. 00:38:51.874 --> 00:38:54.084 You shouldn't have come here. 00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:56.420 We're in episode 102. 00:38:56.420 --> 00:39:00.049 And this is the first time that Sam and Bucky 00:39:00.049 --> 00:39:02.134 have fought beside each other, 00:39:02.134 --> 00:39:03.636 and they're not doing terribly well. 00:39:03.636 --> 00:39:05.471 Good of you to join the fight, Sam! 00:39:06.555 --> 00:39:08.307 Punch, kick, punch, punch! 00:39:08.307 --> 00:39:11.685 And John Walker arrives kind of out of the blue. 00:39:11.685 --> 00:39:13.729 John Walker, Captain America. 00:39:13.729 --> 00:39:16.607 - Lemar Hoskins. - Looks like you guys could use some help. 00:39:16.607 --> 00:39:19.068 First time they see him in action. 00:39:19.068 --> 00:39:20.861 And so it's his first action beat 00:39:20.861 --> 00:39:24.615 as well as Captain America with Lemar. 00:39:24.615 --> 00:39:27.242 And the whole thing is a complete cluster. 00:39:30.663 --> 00:39:34.333 Then on top of it, they're facing Super Soldiers 00:39:34.333 --> 00:39:37.628 and they are completely overwhelmed with what that is. 00:39:37.628 --> 00:39:38.963 No! 00:39:40.506 --> 00:39:43.092 We started dreaming up this sequence, 00:39:43.092 --> 00:39:46.762 I would say, about eight months ago. 00:39:47.346 --> 00:39:50.140 And we had little toy cars and little toy trucks, 00:39:50.140 --> 00:39:52.601 and, we went through, I don't know, 00:39:52.601 --> 00:39:58.357 probably 12 or 15 different versions of this sequence, 00:39:58.357 --> 00:40:02.569 because it was so difficult to achieve on the one hand 00:40:02.569 --> 00:40:05.197 to imagine on the other, with this many people 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.409 dealing with all the various elements that one has to deal with. 00:40:09.243 --> 00:40:11.203 The truck sequence was always challenging. 00:40:11.203 --> 00:40:13.622 Mostly because they all need to stay on the trucks. 00:40:13.622 --> 00:40:15.374 No one can fall off the truck. 00:40:15.374 --> 00:40:16.709 No one can get back on the truck. 00:40:16.709 --> 00:40:19.545 Falcon can fly around a little bit, but for the most part, 00:40:19.545 --> 00:40:22.172 just the design of it, it was a very challenging design. 00:40:22.172 --> 00:40:25.217 We had fake trucks that were four feet off the ground 00:40:25.217 --> 00:40:27.469 and they could be moved around on air a bit, 00:40:27.469 --> 00:40:29.179 we had people fighting on those. 00:40:29.179 --> 00:40:30.431 Then we got real trucks 00:40:30.431 --> 00:40:32.349 and we had a couple of shots with people 00:40:32.349 --> 00:40:34.393 fighting on real trucks, but not many. 00:40:34.393 --> 00:40:36.019 We're shooting in Atlanta. 00:40:36.019 --> 00:40:38.397 We shot plates of a road that we thought 00:40:38.397 --> 00:40:41.150 might be able to double for some part of Germany. 00:40:41.150 --> 00:40:44.236 Then it became clear that, Atlanta does not look like Germany. 00:40:44.236 --> 00:40:46.738 So, what was a bunch of guys on a blue screen 00:40:46.738 --> 00:40:48.073 that we're gonna replace the background, 00:40:48.073 --> 00:40:50.284 now becomes a complete digital environment. 00:40:50.284 --> 00:40:52.619 So, digital mountains in the background, 00:40:52.619 --> 00:40:54.288 all sorts of German trees. 00:40:54.288 --> 00:40:55.998 Everything needed to be touched. 00:40:57.249 --> 00:40:59.793 Bucky is hanging onto the side of a truck 00:40:59.793 --> 00:41:01.628 with spinning wheels right by his head 00:41:01.628 --> 00:41:04.590 that are completely digital. The road is completely digital. 00:41:05.090 --> 00:41:07.092 There's a shot where Walker falls off 00:41:07.092 --> 00:41:09.553 the back of the truck in Atlanta 00:41:09.553 --> 00:41:12.139 and then we cut to him getting up in Prague. 00:41:12.139 --> 00:41:14.057 We need to make both of those things match 00:41:14.057 --> 00:41:15.642 and both look like Germany. 00:41:16.185 --> 00:41:19.062 Adding digital cars and digital trees, make everything match, 00:41:19.104 --> 00:41:20.272 it was kind of amazing. 00:41:24.985 --> 00:41:27.237 Could have used that shield. 00:41:28.906 --> 00:41:31.408 When starting any series, you wanna kick off 00:41:31.408 --> 00:41:36.121 with as much promise of what the series is going to be as possible. 00:41:36.663 --> 00:41:39.541 We had to say, "What don't we know that Falcon can do? 00:41:39.541 --> 00:41:43.212 What are some cool other things that the Falcon we know he can do 00:41:43.212 --> 00:41:44.880 that we haven't seen before?" 00:41:47.090 --> 00:41:48.467 Part of the mandate is, 00:41:48.467 --> 00:41:50.594 all right, well, if we're gonna do Falcon 00:41:50.594 --> 00:41:52.679 as a titular character finally, 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.473 he's gotta have the best Falcon action. 00:41:55.849 --> 00:41:57.851 I think the opening action sequence, 00:41:57.851 --> 00:41:59.686 kind of, took us down that path 00:41:59.686 --> 00:42:02.564 in the sense of a, just a, "Holy cow". 00:42:02.898 --> 00:42:05.567 If we get to the border, he's not gonna follow. 00:42:05.567 --> 00:42:07.402 What's up? 00:42:08.946 --> 00:42:10.822 We spent a long time on this sequence. 00:42:10.822 --> 00:42:13.033 This sequence was always part of the show. 00:42:13.033 --> 00:42:14.743 It moved around parts of the show 00:42:14.743 --> 00:42:16.954 and it was supposed to be like this big amazing thing. 00:42:18.121 --> 00:42:20.415 Like any sequence we start with pre-vis 00:42:20.415 --> 00:42:22.251 and we work through the blocking 00:42:22.251 --> 00:42:23.835 based on storyboards that have been done. 00:42:23.835 --> 00:42:25.671 And then we looked at the pre-vis, 00:42:25.671 --> 00:42:27.506 like, "Okay, how are we gonna do this?" 00:42:28.131 --> 00:42:30.676 One of the things that we did was actually, 00:42:30.676 --> 00:42:32.886 we shot a group of skydivers. 00:42:32.886 --> 00:42:35.305 And so, we had all this great reference material. 00:42:38.767 --> 00:42:41.728 We have, literally, the world's best wingsuit fliers 00:42:41.728 --> 00:42:44.064 who are ready to do this stuff for us 00:42:44.064 --> 00:42:46.817 and get these shots that no one has ever seen before. 00:42:46.817 --> 00:42:48.777 Everyone was really excited about it. 00:42:48.777 --> 00:42:51.655 We spent several days pushing people out of planes 00:42:51.655 --> 00:42:55.617 and getting all those suits... Those wingsuits are all real. 00:42:55.617 --> 00:42:58.745 And we were inspired by a team that does that, you know, 00:42:58.745 --> 00:42:59.997 flies through canyons. 00:43:02.541 --> 00:43:04.543 They all had Blackmagic cameras 00:43:04.543 --> 00:43:05.961 that we were able to mount on them, 00:43:05.961 --> 00:43:07.754 and then had head-mounted cameras. 00:43:07.754 --> 00:43:10.340 There are a few shots from that skydiving shoot 00:43:10.340 --> 00:43:12.050 that made it into the sequence. 00:43:12.050 --> 00:43:14.636 So, you get those pops of real that, I think, 00:43:14.636 --> 00:43:17.889 help with the suspension of disbelief for the audience. 00:43:19.057 --> 00:43:20.976 And, you know, we had Mackie on wires. 00:43:20.976 --> 00:43:22.728 I could do a Will Smith one. 00:43:22.728 --> 00:43:25.939 I can go for what, "Sweet Jesus!" 00:43:25.939 --> 00:43:27.274 We had real Mackie, 00:43:27.274 --> 00:43:29.192 you know, folded in wherever we could. 00:43:35.574 --> 00:43:38.785 Most of the helicopters were CG. We did have a buck, 00:43:38.785 --> 00:43:41.163 like a helicopter buck, for the interior work, 00:43:41.163 --> 00:43:43.915 'cause obviously, the actors have to interact with something 00:43:43.915 --> 00:43:45.417 but we even replaced the buck 00:43:45.417 --> 00:43:47.919 because it was a very specific kind of helicopter 00:43:47.919 --> 00:43:50.464 that we wanted to see in the sequence that would fit 00:43:50.464 --> 00:43:52.924 the storytelling of the villains in that sequence. 00:43:55.051 --> 00:43:57.846 And that's a huge testament to our visual effects team, 00:43:57.846 --> 00:44:01.850 to Victoria, to Eric Levin. It's a pretty amazing thing. 00:44:01.850 --> 00:44:03.769 For me the most impressive thing about it 00:44:03.769 --> 00:44:07.189 was being able to mix all the different techniques that we have. 00:44:07.189 --> 00:44:10.984 You know, it's one thing to have a fully animated CG landscape 00:44:10.984 --> 00:44:12.736 and make it look as photo-real as possible. 00:44:12.736 --> 00:44:15.363 But making sure that we do have close-ups of Anthony Mackie, 00:44:15.405 --> 00:44:18.533 a couple shots of him flying on wires and the stunt guys. 00:44:18.533 --> 00:44:20.827 And the aerial guys jumping out of airplanes. 00:44:21.620 --> 00:44:24.122 Having enough sort of realistic stuff 00:44:24.122 --> 00:44:25.790 so that when you put it all together, 00:44:25.790 --> 00:44:27.209 you're not sure how we did anything. 00:44:27.209 --> 00:44:28.752 We gotta find another way! 00:44:28.752 --> 00:44:30.003 I just did. 00:44:40.305 --> 00:44:42.015 The idea is to make it seamless. 00:44:42.015 --> 00:44:43.808 The idea is that it is a shared universe 00:44:43.808 --> 00:44:46.645 that you can never know what to expect. 00:44:46.645 --> 00:44:49.105 So, characters may come in and out of shows, 00:44:49.105 --> 00:44:50.482 may come in and out of films 00:44:50.482 --> 00:44:52.526 in a way that hopefully feels organic. 00:44:52.526 --> 00:44:55.070 We're shooting a scene in the museum, 00:44:55.070 --> 00:44:57.572 where, Falcon, Anthony's character, Sam, 00:44:57.948 --> 00:45:01.326 is deciding whether or not he's going to... 00:45:01.326 --> 00:45:05.664 Well, I guess he's decided that he's going to actually give 00:45:05.664 --> 00:45:09.501 the shield to the museum to hold 00:45:09.501 --> 00:45:12.170 as opposed to him taking it on 00:45:12.170 --> 00:45:14.005 and becoming Captain America himself. 00:45:14.005 --> 00:45:17.217 I think Rhodey both understands 00:45:17.217 --> 00:45:18.969 why Sam doesn't wanna take it on. 00:45:18.969 --> 00:45:22.055 He's been in a similar position with Iron Patriot, 00:45:22.055 --> 00:45:24.349 with a decision about Iron Man. 00:45:24.808 --> 00:45:27.143 But I think he also wishes that he would, 00:45:27.143 --> 00:45:29.479 because he thinks it's very needed right now. 00:45:29.479 --> 00:45:30.772 The world's broken. 00:45:31.898 --> 00:45:34.359 Everybody's just looking for somebody to fix it. 00:45:34.359 --> 00:45:36.069 Don Cheadle and I discussed 00:45:36.069 --> 00:45:39.781 the role a few times before he got here. 00:45:39.781 --> 00:45:44.160 And he really wanted to bring something to the character, 00:45:44.160 --> 00:45:48.957 and we talked a lot about, then, also, the one guy 00:45:48.957 --> 00:45:51.793 who could really understand the complexity 00:45:51.793 --> 00:45:54.462 of what it is for a Black man to carry the shield. 00:45:55.088 --> 00:46:00.301 He is the one guy who Sam could connect with on that level, 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.222 and, so that became a really complex 00:46:04.222 --> 00:46:06.474 dance between the two guys. 00:46:06.474 --> 00:46:08.560 You know, for me, watching the two of them 00:46:08.560 --> 00:46:10.520 go through this amazing history 00:46:10.520 --> 00:46:13.648 we shot in our version of the Smithsonian, 00:46:13.648 --> 00:46:15.984 which was the history of the Howling Commandos 00:46:15.984 --> 00:46:18.153 alongside Captain America, 00:46:18.153 --> 00:46:23.324 and it was so poignant to see them walking through the history 00:46:23.324 --> 00:46:25.160 as we're putting that history to bed, 00:46:25.160 --> 00:46:27.078 you know, it was giving us all chills. 00:46:35.670 --> 00:46:37.589 I think something the comics do, 00:46:37.630 --> 00:46:39.591 which works for that medium, 00:46:39.591 --> 00:46:42.010 is they assume that a mantle has to exist. 00:46:42.010 --> 00:46:44.095 Of course there's gonna be a Captain America. 00:46:44.095 --> 00:46:45.388 If something happens to Steve, 00:46:45.388 --> 00:46:47.390 somebody's gotta pick up that shield. 00:46:49.476 --> 00:46:52.896 That's a very, you know, comic book-true statement 00:46:52.896 --> 00:46:55.607 and it works for that format, and it's great, 00:46:55.607 --> 00:46:58.610 and it allows you to see that shield pass through hands. 00:46:59.235 --> 00:47:01.821 However, when you translate that to 00:47:01.821 --> 00:47:04.574 a live-action sort of grounded story, 00:47:04.574 --> 00:47:05.992 and to our real world, 00:47:05.992 --> 00:47:08.495 it's really important to ask the question of why. 00:47:08.495 --> 00:47:10.622 Why does there have to be a Captain America? 00:47:10.622 --> 00:47:12.665 What does it mean today versus what it meant 00:47:12.707 --> 00:47:14.292 when it was created in the '40s? 00:47:14.334 --> 00:47:16.503 And what does it mean to different people? 00:47:16.544 --> 00:47:17.879 Feels weird... 00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:19.964 Picking it up again. 00:47:21.883 --> 00:47:27.263 The legacy of that shield is complicated, to say the least. 00:47:27.263 --> 00:47:31.351 Sam, you know, being a soldier and being a veteran, 00:47:31.392 --> 00:47:33.394 being a counselor, 00:47:33.394 --> 00:47:37.065 he realizes that as a people, we're all Americans. 00:47:37.524 --> 00:47:39.400 I'm not Black Captain America. 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.611 Steve wasn't white Captain America. 00:47:41.611 --> 00:47:44.197 He was solely Captain America. 00:47:44.197 --> 00:47:47.951 So as a society, as a country, we need to realize 00:47:47.951 --> 00:47:52.080 that all the people who are citizens here on this soil, 00:47:52.080 --> 00:47:56.042 no matter what their origins are, they're Americans 00:47:56.042 --> 00:48:00.171 and, you know, the old adage, "I am my brother's keeper", 00:48:00.171 --> 00:48:01.839 comes into play, you know. 00:48:01.839 --> 00:48:04.133 Sam realizes he deserves the right, 00:48:04.133 --> 00:48:06.469 he's earned the right to be Captain America 00:48:06.469 --> 00:48:09.138 and that has nothing to do with his race or his background. 00:48:09.472 --> 00:48:12.559 I ain't gonna lie. You're special. 00:48:14.644 --> 00:48:15.645 Thank you. 00:48:17.063 --> 00:48:21.734 I mean, you ain't no Malcolm or Martin, Mandela, but... 00:48:21.734 --> 00:48:25.029 No argument there, but I know what I've gotta do. 00:48:28.366 --> 00:48:30.410 Isaiah Bradley is a character, I think, 00:48:30.410 --> 00:48:32.245 comic fans have been clamoring for, 00:48:32.245 --> 00:48:36.082 but most fans won't know. He was a Black soldier who, 00:48:36.082 --> 00:48:38.167 much like the Tuskegee Airmen, 00:48:38.167 --> 00:48:41.546 was tested on to try and recreate the super-soldier serum. 00:48:41.546 --> 00:48:44.424 The secret of Isaiah Bradley is that it worked, 00:48:44.424 --> 00:48:46.884 but because of his race, he was sidelined 00:48:46.884 --> 00:48:49.095 by the American government and became a pariah. 00:48:49.095 --> 00:48:51.347 You think you can wake up one day 00:48:51.347 --> 00:48:53.224 and decide who you wanna be? 00:48:54.267 --> 00:48:55.601 It doesn't work like that. 00:48:56.311 --> 00:48:59.105 When you have two characters like Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes, 00:48:59.105 --> 00:49:00.523 who are so close to Steve, 00:49:00.523 --> 00:49:03.526 to meet a Super Soldier who had a completely different experience 00:49:03.526 --> 00:49:07.113 than the one that Captain America had, is gonna be eye-opening 00:49:07.113 --> 00:49:10.491 and very much informs Sam's feelings surrounding the shield. 00:49:10.491 --> 00:49:14.370 Whether or not that's a legitimate thing to wish for or to not. 00:49:14.370 --> 00:49:15.705 That what I think it is? 00:49:17.498 --> 00:49:19.375 Mmm-mmm. Leave it covered. 00:49:20.752 --> 00:49:23.963 Them stars and stripes don't mean nothin' good to me. 00:49:23.963 --> 00:49:25.715 When we first started talking with Malcolm, 00:49:25.757 --> 00:49:28.176 that was actually a character he asked about first 00:49:28.176 --> 00:49:30.511 because, as a Black man reading comics, 00:49:30.511 --> 00:49:32.638 that was a story that really resonated with him 00:49:32.638 --> 00:49:34.891 when you go back to Truth: Red, White and Black. 00:49:34.891 --> 00:49:37.643 So it was something that he really brought to the project 00:49:37.685 --> 00:49:39.812 and I think really enriched the story-telling, 00:49:39.812 --> 00:49:42.106 'cause it's a point of view that is often lost, 00:49:42.148 --> 00:49:44.025 and again, unfortunately, 00:49:44.025 --> 00:49:46.694 society sometimes catches up with narrative. 00:49:46.694 --> 00:49:48.321 It's something that we're talking about 00:49:48.321 --> 00:49:49.989 very much in our everyday lives. 00:49:49.989 --> 00:49:54.494 What is the journey of being Black in America through time? 00:49:54.494 --> 00:49:56.329 Not even just in the modern days, 00:49:56.329 --> 00:49:58.664 but in the '40s, in the '50s. 00:49:58.664 --> 00:50:01.167 It's always been quite a different journey. 00:50:01.167 --> 00:50:03.211 And this gets to be an interesting lens 00:50:03.211 --> 00:50:05.213 into that time and that character, 00:50:05.213 --> 00:50:08.216 which very much informs how people feel about race today. 00:50:08.216 --> 00:50:09.717 I used to be like you, 00:50:11.219 --> 00:50:13.054 until I opened my eyes, 00:50:14.138 --> 00:50:18.017 until I saw men in the Red Tails, 00:50:18.017 --> 00:50:22.063 the famous 332 fight for this country, 00:50:22.855 --> 00:50:26.609 only to come home to find crosses burned on their lawn. 00:50:26.609 --> 00:50:28.694 I'm from the south. I get that. 00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:32.406 But you were a Super Soldier like Steve. You could've been the next... 00:50:32.406 --> 00:50:35.159 The next? What? Huh? 00:50:36.744 --> 00:50:40.039 Blonde hair, blue eyes, stars and stripes? 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:43.584 He becomes the embodiment of your hero's fears. 00:50:43.584 --> 00:50:45.753 Isaiah is challenging Sam 00:50:46.420 --> 00:50:49.590 just on whether or not a Black man should be Captain America. 00:50:49.590 --> 00:50:50.967 He has that line where, 00:50:50.967 --> 00:50:53.219 "They will never let a Black man be Captain America, 00:50:53.219 --> 00:50:54.387 and even if they would, 00:50:54.387 --> 00:50:56.681 no self-respecting Black man would ever wanna be". 00:50:56.681 --> 00:50:58.766 We didn't want Isaiah to be wrong about that. 00:50:58.766 --> 00:51:01.185 That's gonna be part of his ongoing struggle. 00:51:01.185 --> 00:51:04.897 He says, "Man, I know every time I pick the shield up, 00:51:04.897 --> 00:51:06.816 a portion of the world's gonna hate me for it". 00:51:06.816 --> 00:51:10.236 Sam gotta live with that as he goes off and tries to make this work. 00:51:12.405 --> 00:51:14.198 It's been an emotional experience, 00:51:14.198 --> 00:51:16.534 especially in the time in which we live in now. 00:51:16.534 --> 00:51:19.745 For Marvel to give me the opportunity as a Black man, 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.291 from the south, to become Captain America, 00:51:23.291 --> 00:51:26.627 I think, says a lot, not only about the work that I've put in 00:51:26.627 --> 00:51:29.005 to get to this point that they would entrust me with that, 00:51:29.005 --> 00:51:31.549 but the way that they're hoping 00:51:31.549 --> 00:51:34.927 to change the way society looks at itself. 00:51:34.927 --> 00:51:38.431 Look, you people have just as much power as an insane god 00:51:40.099 --> 00:51:41.934 or a misguided teenager. 00:51:44.395 --> 00:51:46.772 The question you have to ask yourself is, 00:51:46.772 --> 00:51:48.566 "How are you gonna use it?" 00:51:48.566 --> 00:51:51.110 That last speech that Sam has, 00:51:51.110 --> 00:51:53.863 that's me and Anthony on the phone for a few hours. 00:51:53.863 --> 00:51:56.949 Anthony has a Black man's perspective on the world. 00:51:56.949 --> 00:52:01.120 And he's like, "Mal, I gotta believe this, right?" 00:52:01.120 --> 00:52:03.080 So the first thing we did was 00:52:03.080 --> 00:52:05.875 we had Sam talking to somebody in that scene 00:52:05.875 --> 00:52:07.585 instead of giving a speech. 00:52:07.585 --> 00:52:10.755 And then, the next thing was me on the phone with him for hours 00:52:10.755 --> 00:52:14.925 making sure he felt honest at every single line in this thing. 00:52:14.925 --> 00:52:17.720 You know what I'm saying? So now we are super proud of that. 00:52:17.720 --> 00:52:21.515 We finally have a common struggle now. 00:52:21.515 --> 00:52:22.558 Think about that. 00:52:23.225 --> 00:52:25.978 For once, all the people who've been begging, 00:52:25.978 --> 00:52:29.023 and I mean, literally begging for you 00:52:29.023 --> 00:52:32.943 to feel how hard any given day is, now you know. 00:52:35.321 --> 00:52:38.574 The final costume is very much drawn from the comics. 00:52:38.616 --> 00:52:41.118 Drawing from the comics was really important 00:52:41.118 --> 00:52:44.372 because it had its own legacy to start with. 00:52:44.372 --> 00:52:47.333 So all the detail that goes into every... 00:52:47.333 --> 00:52:52.713 And I can tell you, months of thought went into every seam. 00:52:52.713 --> 00:52:55.341 Not only in the building of it, but in the design of it. 00:52:55.341 --> 00:52:56.967 It's kind of a breath of fresh air. 00:52:57.009 --> 00:53:00.679 Visually, it's almost the reverse of the other costumes we've seen. 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:01.889 There's a lot of white 00:53:01.889 --> 00:53:05.059 as opposed to all the navy and red that we've seen before. 00:53:05.059 --> 00:53:08.771 The upper torso and his face are really kind of highlighted. 00:53:08.771 --> 00:53:10.231 Captain America's new costume 00:53:10.231 --> 00:53:13.526 had a very specific cowl design that they wanted. 00:53:13.526 --> 00:53:16.654 And it was very difficult to build practically in real life, 00:53:16.654 --> 00:53:20.032 so when Mackie would move his head around, it would flex. 00:53:20.032 --> 00:53:23.577 Because there is no magical material that can have that shape 00:53:23.577 --> 00:53:25.579 and that flexibility and not move around 00:53:25.579 --> 00:53:26.997 in a way that they didn't want. 00:53:26.997 --> 00:53:28.541 So, they knew when they built it. 00:53:28.541 --> 00:53:31.585 "This is gonna be really tough, you're gonna have to help us out". 00:53:31.627 --> 00:53:34.922 And as it turned out, you know, there were dozens and dozens, 00:53:34.922 --> 00:53:36.799 probably hundreds of visual effects shots 00:53:36.799 --> 00:53:38.759 just to make that cowl look better. 00:53:38.759 --> 00:53:41.428 So that it looks heroic and doesn't have weird gaps. 00:53:41.428 --> 00:53:43.180 We don't want to see any seams in the costume, 00:53:43.180 --> 00:53:45.182 we don't want to know that it was closed by Velcro. 00:53:45.182 --> 00:53:46.767 It's just magically... 00:53:46.767 --> 00:53:49.186 It's a magic costume built by the Wakandans, 00:53:49.186 --> 00:53:50.729 so we need to bring that to life. 00:53:50.729 --> 00:53:51.939 All right, watch this! 00:53:56.277 --> 00:53:58.821 I think it was all to support a combination 00:53:58.821 --> 00:54:02.867 of what the overall red, white and blue look was going to be 00:54:02.867 --> 00:54:05.286 and that it had to be bright and positive. 00:54:05.286 --> 00:54:09.164 There had to be an ultimately positive vibe to this, 00:54:09.707 --> 00:54:13.919 you know, sparkling person... 00:54:13.919 --> 00:54:17.089 Which is, and really beautifully, shown, 00:54:17.089 --> 00:54:19.466 I think, in the final speech. 00:54:19.466 --> 00:54:23.721 It has a, you know, a bit of a knight in shining armor quality to it. 00:54:26.682 --> 00:54:28.642 It's a new Captain America, you know, 00:54:28.642 --> 00:54:31.812 it's a new angle, and it's a new vibe 00:54:31.812 --> 00:54:34.064 and I think he's got some really cool things 00:54:34.064 --> 00:54:36.859 that are being explored in this from the idea of family, 00:54:36.859 --> 00:54:40.112 pursuit of happiness versus this American Dream 00:54:40.112 --> 00:54:41.739 that's bestowed on all of us, 00:54:41.739 --> 00:54:43.907 but certainly how a Black man deals with that. 00:54:43.907 --> 00:54:46.285 I mean, there's all kinds of actually complex, 00:54:46.285 --> 00:54:48.787 very specific issues dealt in this 00:54:48.787 --> 00:54:51.165 that are very applicable to the times that we're in. 00:54:51.165 --> 00:54:54.335 This isn't about easy decisions, Senator. 00:54:54.335 --> 00:54:55.961 You just don't understand. 00:54:55.961 --> 00:55:00.132 I'm a Black man carrying the stars and stripes. 00:55:00.132 --> 00:55:02.134 What don't I understand? 00:55:02.134 --> 00:55:04.928 I know what it is to deal with something bigger than me. 00:55:06.263 --> 00:55:10.059 With everything that's been going on with COVID 00:55:10.059 --> 00:55:13.687 and the murders of Breonna 00:55:13.687 --> 00:55:16.774 and the murder of George Floyd 00:55:16.774 --> 00:55:22.446 and, you know, the riots and the activism 00:55:22.446 --> 00:55:25.699 going on with the young generation now and, you know, 00:55:25.699 --> 00:55:27.409 the Black Lives Matter movement, 00:55:27.409 --> 00:55:29.995 it's been jarring to me and surprising 00:55:29.995 --> 00:55:32.164 how timely this series is. 00:55:37.586 --> 00:55:41.131 My truth has changed and evolved so much. 00:55:41.131 --> 00:55:42.758 As far as me being a father, 00:55:42.758 --> 00:55:45.928 as far as me being a man, and as far as me being an American. 00:55:45.928 --> 00:55:49.640 And a lot of that has come out of this role and this series. 00:55:50.808 --> 00:55:53.685 So, it's been humbling in a real sense, 00:55:53.685 --> 00:55:55.771 but also inspiring to think 00:55:55.771 --> 00:56:00.150 that my sons will be able to turn on the TV and see, 00:56:00.150 --> 00:56:02.319 a Black Captain America. 00:56:02.319 --> 00:56:04.029 Ain't gonna be easy, Sam. 00:56:04.613 --> 00:56:07.074 Yeah, I might fail. I might die. 00:56:07.741 --> 00:56:09.535 But we built this country. 00:56:09.535 --> 00:56:10.869 Bled for it. 00:56:11.870 --> 00:56:14.873 I'm not gonna let anybody tell me I can't fight for it.