WEBVTT 00:00:17.370 --> 00:00:20.330 I know that you're having a great deal of difficulty... 00:00:23.870 --> 00:00:25.540 ...being able to differentiate 00:00:26.630 --> 00:00:28.380 between what's real 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:31.210 and what's in your head. 00:00:46.650 --> 00:00:48.650 With our Disney Plus series, 00:00:48.730 --> 00:00:52.190 we wanted to see more of the characters we'd introduced on the big screen, 00:00:52.360 --> 00:00:54.990 but there were also characters who we wanted to 00:00:55.070 --> 00:00:57.990 introduce whole cloth for the first time on Disney Plus. 00:00:58.620 --> 00:01:00.700 Moon Knight was at the top of that list. 00:01:02.580 --> 00:01:07.210 Moon Knight is a spectacular character, he's got an incredibly unique visual look. 00:01:07.540 --> 00:01:10.040 He's a much more action-oriented character 00:01:10.420 --> 00:01:13.260 in a way we haven't seen in a while in the MCU. 00:01:17.180 --> 00:01:20.890 Any time we think about adapting a comic book character, 00:01:20.970 --> 00:01:23.770 we always think about what it is at its core, 00:01:23.850 --> 00:01:26.020 what it is on an essential level. 00:01:26.100 --> 00:01:29.060 And you can't really make a Moon Knight show 00:01:29.150 --> 00:01:32.610 without embracing that darkness, without embracing that chaos. 00:01:35.610 --> 00:01:37.360 In the Marvel universe, 00:01:37.450 --> 00:01:40.780 Moon Knight first made his appearance in 1975 in Werewolf By Night, 00:01:40.870 --> 00:01:43.120 and he was very much an antagonist. 00:01:44.290 --> 00:01:47.870 By the time 1980 rolled around, there was such a desire from the fans 00:01:47.960 --> 00:01:49.880 to see more of him, he got his own comic. 00:01:51.290 --> 00:01:53.590 Historically, Marc Spector is Moon Knight. 00:01:53.670 --> 00:01:56.130 He washed out of the Marines and became a mercenary 00:01:56.220 --> 00:01:59.800 and then he became the avatar of the Egyptian God Khonshu. 00:01:59.890 --> 00:02:02.100 If you look at his origin story in the comics, 00:02:02.180 --> 00:02:03.970 it's very Egyptology-centric 00:02:04.060 --> 00:02:06.430 and that's what makes this different and unique. 00:02:06.520 --> 00:02:07.890 Kevin brought that up 00:02:07.980 --> 00:02:10.270 really early on in the development process. 00:02:10.350 --> 00:02:12.820 He said, "If we can bring that into our show, 00:02:12.940 --> 00:02:16.280 "wrapped in a little bit of an Indiana Jones-esque adventure, 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:18.650 "that's a show that will sustain six hours." 00:02:20.530 --> 00:02:23.870 -I just go at it fully? -Yeah, go in the camera. 00:02:23.950 --> 00:02:27.080 Like, it goes... It's gotta give me the effect of... 00:02:27.160 --> 00:02:28.620 -Okay. -He's getting the vibes. 00:02:35.300 --> 00:02:37.920 Mohamed Diab is an Egyptian filmmaker. 00:02:38.510 --> 00:02:40.680 So collaborative, so confident, 00:02:40.760 --> 00:02:43.720 who came in and really had a point of view with the story. 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:47.600 I wanna show you the last thing. This is my daughter's art. 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.310 And look at this. It's Moon Knight. 00:02:50.390 --> 00:02:54.190 Aw, yay! Oh, right on. 00:02:54.270 --> 00:02:58.740 I read the first two episodes and the summary of the rest of the show. 00:02:58.820 --> 00:03:01.240 We just, like, delved into it, me and Sarah. 00:03:01.320 --> 00:03:03.530 Sarah is my wife and a producer on the show. 00:03:03.620 --> 00:03:05.490 And we had this 200-page pitch. 00:03:05.580 --> 00:03:07.290 He came up with a pitch 00:03:07.370 --> 00:03:09.870 that really centered on the Egyptology of it all, 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:12.830 and that was something Kevin was focusing on from day one, 00:03:12.920 --> 00:03:14.960 is the Egyptology, the adventure of it. 00:03:15.920 --> 00:03:18.260 It was in that original pitch meeting 00:03:18.590 --> 00:03:23.010 where we all knew that he was gonna be the best shepherd for Moon Knight, 00:03:23.090 --> 00:03:25.140 and you can see it. 00:03:25.220 --> 00:03:26.890 You can see it as you watch the show... 00:03:26.970 --> 00:03:29.520 There's so much visual foreshadowing. 00:03:29.600 --> 00:03:33.600 There's just so much detail in his thinking 00:03:33.690 --> 00:03:36.980 that it really sent a current, I think, out throughout 00:03:37.110 --> 00:03:41.610 the cast and the crew and everyone who touched the show to think in that way. 00:03:41.740 --> 00:03:43.740 As much as you can, when you're doing this... 00:03:43.820 --> 00:03:46.580 I wasn't aware of Moon Knight before that. 00:03:46.660 --> 00:03:49.540 Sometimes that works as an advantage or a disadvantage. 00:03:49.620 --> 00:03:51.870 For my case, I feel it worked as an advantage. 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:55.330 I wasn't attached to anything except to make a good story. 00:03:55.460 --> 00:03:58.500 One thing we realized very early on is when you have 00:03:58.590 --> 00:04:01.630 six hours of narrative, when you have four or five countries, 00:04:01.760 --> 00:04:04.090 it was gonna take a bit more of a team effort. 00:04:04.180 --> 00:04:06.010 AARON MOORHEAD: Let's do it again, but drop it... 00:04:06.100 --> 00:04:07.810 Having Benson and Moorhead 00:04:07.890 --> 00:04:11.230 along with Mohamed Diab as our head director really paid off. 00:04:12.350 --> 00:04:14.850 - Hey, guys. I'm sorry. - Your XLR kit fell off. 00:04:14.940 --> 00:04:17.230 - Sorry. Missed you guys. - Missed you, too. 00:04:17.310 --> 00:04:18.320 Yeah. 00:04:18.400 --> 00:04:22.400 Our first introduction to you was your movie Clash. 00:04:22.490 --> 00:04:24.530 And Aaron and I watched that movie 00:04:24.610 --> 00:04:26.910 and we both took a long pause 00:04:26.990 --> 00:04:28.950 and said, "I guess we're not filmmakers..." 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.000 - "...if he's a filmmaker." -Yeah. 00:04:32.080 --> 00:04:34.540 I loved your films. I know it's like a ping-pong right now, 00:04:34.620 --> 00:04:37.210 I have to say the same thing. But I loved The Endless 00:04:37.290 --> 00:04:38.920 and I loved it before I met you, 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.460 and I thought, "Wow, those guys have something." 00:04:41.550 --> 00:04:44.840 So, when we got the chance to work together, that was a big thing for me. 00:04:45.880 --> 00:04:48.510 When we were kicking this off in the writer's room, 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:50.680 one thing that became evident really quickly was 00:04:50.760 --> 00:04:53.520 Moon Knight does not have any current connections to the MCU. 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:55.560 And narratively, it became really freeing 00:04:55.640 --> 00:04:57.900 and allowed us to really play with a character 00:04:57.980 --> 00:05:02.110 that didn't have to abide by any pre-ordained narrative rules. 00:05:02.190 --> 00:05:05.900 The thing that's always been incredible to me as a fan of Moon Knight, 00:05:05.990 --> 00:05:10.580 is that every creator kind of comes in and puts their own spin on the material. 00:05:10.660 --> 00:05:15.040 We were able to kind of cherry pick all of our favorite things from the various runs. 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:20.500 But it's also a daunting task because how do you distill 40 years of weirdness, 00:05:20.590 --> 00:05:24.210 into a six-hour show and have it still make sense? 00:05:24.300 --> 00:05:27.430 Having this huge history of 40 years of comic books, 00:05:27.510 --> 00:05:31.760 you have so much to dig from. And the best thing about Marvel, 00:05:31.850 --> 00:05:34.430 they allow us to get maybe the origin of a character 00:05:34.520 --> 00:05:36.480 - and play with it the way you want. - Yes. 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:38.060 For us, it was about the story. 00:05:38.150 --> 00:05:40.150 Like, no one ever told us, 00:05:40.230 --> 00:05:42.150 "Okay, there's something in the comic book 00:05:42.230 --> 00:05:44.610 "that we need to put because it's in the comic book." 00:05:44.690 --> 00:05:47.990 We would go through every Moon Knight comic that ever existed 00:05:48.070 --> 00:05:51.780 and just trying to find particularly iconic imagery that we connected with. 00:05:51.870 --> 00:05:53.990 Usually, it was the more mind-bending stuff like 00:05:54.080 --> 00:05:56.750 the image of pulling the white off 00:05:56.830 --> 00:06:00.670 and seeing the flesh underneath on a white back... Those types of images. 00:06:04.380 --> 00:06:06.510 When Moon Knight was first written, 00:06:06.590 --> 00:06:10.050 Marc Spector was basically just a guy who had different identities. 00:06:10.140 --> 00:06:14.260 Marc Spector was a mercenary, Steven Grant was kind of the millionaire about town 00:06:14.350 --> 00:06:16.640 and then there was Jake Lockley, the cab driver. 00:06:16.810 --> 00:06:18.270 And depending on what information 00:06:18.350 --> 00:06:21.190 Marc Spector needed at that time as Moon Knight, 00:06:21.270 --> 00:06:22.900 he went in different identities. 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:28.610 Over the years, the different identities morphed into different personalities 00:06:28.700 --> 00:06:31.490 and those different personalities morphed into what we know now 00:06:31.570 --> 00:06:33.450 as dissociative identity disorder. 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:37.540 I feel like comic creators started taking really interesting risks 00:06:37.620 --> 00:06:39.160 with the character of Moon Knight, 00:06:39.250 --> 00:06:43.500 and that's where you started to see things like his struggles with DID 00:06:43.590 --> 00:06:47.340 And his mental health really kind of came to the forefront. 00:06:47.420 --> 00:06:50.630 And it took this character who was really introduced as just sort of, 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:53.390 "Hey, he's a guy, he dresses up in white, fights werewolves. 00:06:53.470 --> 00:06:56.560 "What else do you need to know?" It really gave him some complexity 00:06:56.640 --> 00:06:59.390 and really made him a character that was fascinating. 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.020 Moon Knight is a character that for years in the comics 00:07:02.100 --> 00:07:03.730 has struggled with mental illness. 00:07:03.810 --> 00:07:07.690 The opportunity to tap into somebody that faces those challenges 00:07:07.780 --> 00:07:11.200 in a respectful way was very important to us. 00:07:11.280 --> 00:07:15.490 Because of all of those different elements, you need a spectacular actor. 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:20.370 All right, guten tag. 00:07:20.460 --> 00:07:22.880 We'd talked to Oscar a number of times. 00:07:22.960 --> 00:07:26.880 We knew he was interested in our world, we'd never found the right fit. 00:07:26.960 --> 00:07:30.090 And we weren't sure he would be interested in Moon Knight, 00:07:30.220 --> 00:07:33.390 we weren't sure he'd be interested in doing a show on Disney Plus. 00:07:33.470 --> 00:07:35.470 But he was completely into it 00:07:35.550 --> 00:07:38.970 and he's been such a creative collaborator and creative partner. 00:07:39.060 --> 00:07:42.850 When I was approached by Kevin Feige with Moon Knight, 00:07:42.940 --> 00:07:45.150 I had never heard of it. I collected comics 00:07:45.230 --> 00:07:48.440 when I was younger, you know, X-Men and, uh, 00:07:48.530 --> 00:07:50.940 X-Force and a few others. 00:07:51.280 --> 00:07:53.780 And so, the first thing was to kinda do a deep dive 00:07:53.860 --> 00:07:56.030 on the character and its history. 00:07:56.660 --> 00:08:00.580 Going back through the comics, it's shifted and changed so much. 00:08:00.660 --> 00:08:03.750 It's so rich. It's pretty vast. 00:08:03.830 --> 00:08:05.380 And so our job was to kinda 00:08:05.460 --> 00:08:08.420 put a lens on the things that we found the most interesting, 00:08:08.500 --> 00:08:11.260 or that, like, had the most dramatic juice. 00:08:11.340 --> 00:08:16.260 And ultimately, taking the mental health aspect about it incredibly seriously 00:08:16.350 --> 00:08:19.680 and really committing to what I really wanted to do, 00:08:19.770 --> 00:08:24.060 which is a character study, a point-of-view experience. 00:08:26.650 --> 00:08:28.900 DID is dissociative identity disorder, 00:08:29.230 --> 00:08:32.190 which is previously called multiple personality disorder. 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.120 At the end, it's a fictionalized depiction of DID, 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:40.040 but I think we tried our best in the show 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.620 to try and understand it and delve deeper into it. 00:08:42.700 --> 00:08:45.420 The first thing I did once I did finally sign on 00:08:45.500 --> 00:08:48.540 was to delve into DID and what it's like. 00:08:48.630 --> 00:08:51.260 And there's an incredible book by Robert Oxnam 00:08:51.340 --> 00:08:52.630 called A Fractured Mind. 00:08:53.300 --> 00:08:56.470 And that ended up being like my bible to me, 00:08:56.550 --> 00:09:00.180 you know, because this is someone who didn't realize he had DID 00:09:00.260 --> 00:09:01.770 until he was in his forties. 00:09:01.850 --> 00:09:06.190 He just thought that he was alcoholic and he had some trouble in his life, 00:09:06.270 --> 00:09:08.270 and, you know, lo and behold, suddenly, 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:11.820 he finds out he's got eight different people living inside of him. 00:09:11.900 --> 00:09:13.690 They're eight different alters. 00:09:13.780 --> 00:09:17.950 And so, that was astounding. And the fact that, um, 00:09:18.030 --> 00:09:20.990 that in itself is a kind of superpower, you know. 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:24.540 How incredible human beings are, that in order to survive 00:09:24.620 --> 00:09:27.870 horrible, horrible trauma at a very young age. 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:31.710 It's a survival mechanism that kicks into place 00:09:31.800 --> 00:09:36.340 where the brain creates other people within his psyche 00:09:36.430 --> 00:09:38.470 to be able to shoulder that trauma. 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:42.510 Everyone who will watch this show and everyone who worked on this show 00:09:42.640 --> 00:09:46.270 will have some sort of relationship with mental health. 00:09:46.730 --> 00:09:50.190 And it was on everyone's mind the whole time on the show 00:09:50.270 --> 00:09:52.860 to make sure that we tell a story that's thoughtful. 00:09:53.150 --> 00:09:57.400 It doesn't have to be about something as specific. It can actually be, 00:09:57.490 --> 00:10:00.120 teach you about just something we've all experienced, 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:04.040 which is trying to care for and be with somebody that's struggling. 00:10:09.750 --> 00:10:11.670 Let's go. Thank you... 00:10:11.750 --> 00:10:14.630 Our head writer Jeremy Slater, one thing he was very passionate about 00:10:14.710 --> 00:10:19.550 is really making episodes 101 and 102 Steven's episodes. 00:10:19.680 --> 00:10:21.090 I always knew that 00:10:21.180 --> 00:10:23.890 starting the show with Marc was going to be very tough. 00:10:23.970 --> 00:10:26.980 Because in our show, Marc is a very closed-off character. 00:10:27.310 --> 00:10:30.770 We would be fighting an uphill battle for the entirety of the series. 00:10:30.850 --> 00:10:34.730 I really looked at Steven Grant and said, "That's a story I know how to tell." 00:10:34.820 --> 00:10:38.650 Once you're onboard with who Steven Grant is as a character, 00:10:38.740 --> 00:10:40.070 you're in for the entire run. 00:10:40.450 --> 00:10:43.950 I have to give it to Marvel and Jeremy Slater. 00:10:44.030 --> 00:10:47.410 I think one of the most brilliant things in the show was the idea of 00:10:47.500 --> 00:10:50.120 seeing the world through Steven's eyes. I loved that. 00:10:50.210 --> 00:10:54.290 Starting with a mystery altogether, like, episode one is a big question mark, 00:10:54.380 --> 00:10:55.800 which is, "What's going on?" 00:10:55.880 --> 00:10:57.010 - Right? - Yeah. 00:10:57.090 --> 00:11:00.510 And sometimes, there's a temptation to get through it 00:11:00.590 --> 00:11:03.350 so you can see Moon Knight beat somebody up. 00:11:03.430 --> 00:11:05.760 We don't see that until the end of episode two. 00:11:05.850 --> 00:11:08.980 It takes almost the entire length of a feature film until you see 00:11:09.060 --> 00:11:11.690 - the titular Moon Knight doing anything. - Absolutely. 00:11:11.770 --> 00:11:14.820 And that was really exciting, when we actually had to play with mystery. 00:11:19.190 --> 00:11:23.910 I got sent some early drafts of a couple of the episodes 00:11:24.070 --> 00:11:29.080 and I saw that the story had been transplanted from New York to London, 00:11:29.160 --> 00:11:32.580 but the characters were still written as American. 00:11:32.670 --> 00:11:34.290 But that got me thinking, 00:11:34.380 --> 00:11:38.670 "Was there space to create a character that would be a good foil 00:11:38.800 --> 00:11:42.220 "for what you expect from like a mercenary, tough hero?" 00:11:42.300 --> 00:11:45.970 "Mercenary?" No, no. I'm not a mercenary. 00:11:46.470 --> 00:11:48.100 My name's Steven Grant. 00:11:48.180 --> 00:11:52.060 I thought, "Well, since it's being set in London, what if Steven's English?" 00:11:52.140 --> 00:11:55.020 And then I started coming up with this character around the house 00:11:55.110 --> 00:11:56.730 and doing it for my kids. 00:11:56.820 --> 00:12:01.320 And my oldest son just really started falling in love with Steven. 00:12:01.400 --> 00:12:03.530 And he would laugh. So that made me feel like, 00:12:03.610 --> 00:12:06.320 "All right, maybe there's something here. I'm onto something." 00:12:07.950 --> 00:12:10.290 I don't know what this has to do with Egypt. 00:12:10.370 --> 00:12:12.620 They didn't have that back then, did they? No. 00:12:12.710 --> 00:12:14.710 They liked figs and dates. 00:12:14.790 --> 00:12:17.880 We're standing in Steven's apartment. 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:19.880 We decided to do an attic, 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:23.930 because it's recalling a shape of a pyramid. 00:12:24.010 --> 00:12:26.390 Two, one. Camera. Action! 00:12:28.390 --> 00:12:31.100 We did his bed under a platform 00:12:31.180 --> 00:12:34.770 as if he's in a sarcophagus as well. 00:12:34.850 --> 00:12:38.360 As if he's, you know, a little bit tombed in. 00:12:40.110 --> 00:12:44.820 When we first started shooting, the first two months was all Steven. 00:12:44.950 --> 00:12:48.370 This process was one of completely falling in love, 00:12:48.450 --> 00:12:49.700 particularly with Steven. 00:12:49.790 --> 00:12:51.410 Can you take this downstairs, please? 00:12:51.500 --> 00:12:55.710 Will you, please, give me a second, Donna, with your beetles? 00:12:56.330 --> 00:13:00.210 I can't remember the last time that I just loved being in this character. 00:13:00.300 --> 00:13:04.720 So, getting to set, I just wanted to stay in the accent and stay in character. 00:13:04.800 --> 00:13:06.470 So, we get to change in an hour? 00:13:06.550 --> 00:13:08.760 -Yeah, yeah, it's in your... - Yeah. All right. 00:13:08.850 --> 00:13:10.220 -Same jacket. - Great. 00:13:10.310 --> 00:13:12.560 I wouldn't describe myself as method at all. 00:13:12.850 --> 00:13:14.520 I just didn't want to be shy about it 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:16.520 and I didn't want to be second-guessing it. 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.690 And so, for me it was more about just, like, 00:13:18.770 --> 00:13:21.570 stay in it so that I can just trust that it's always there 00:13:21.650 --> 00:13:23.440 and I can put my energy onto other things, 00:13:23.530 --> 00:13:25.610 like playing the scene and doing the things 00:13:25.700 --> 00:13:27.820 and figuring out the blocking and all that. 00:13:29.700 --> 00:13:31.080 Oh, my God. 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:34.500 For me, the tone of the show is born entirely out of character. 00:13:34.580 --> 00:13:38.630 We're learning about the mythology of Moon Knight and the stakes of the story 00:13:39.500 --> 00:13:43.300 through a character who is as new to it as we are. 00:13:43.380 --> 00:13:45.550 Oh, man! This is mental. 00:13:45.630 --> 00:13:49.300 The show is a globe-trotting adventure with a supernatural bent. 00:13:49.430 --> 00:13:52.010 There's also sprinkles of horror in there. 00:13:52.810 --> 00:13:54.850 I think the fun thing about Moon Knight 00:13:54.930 --> 00:13:58.350 and I think it's the fun thing that really echoes throughout the MCU, 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:00.520 ultimately, when you do peel back those layers, 00:14:00.610 --> 00:14:03.150 you realize that it is a character story. 00:14:03.230 --> 00:14:07.240 And I do think that is one of the things that Oscar Isaac gravitated towards. 00:14:08.780 --> 00:14:10.530 I'm losing it, man. 00:14:10.620 --> 00:14:12.330 I've already lost it. 00:14:13.410 --> 00:14:16.580 I just... I can't tell the difference between my... 00:14:16.660 --> 00:14:20.460 My waking life and my dreams, I guess. 00:14:23.630 --> 00:14:29.130 Really, the key was Steven, because Steven is sincere and also funny, 00:14:29.220 --> 00:14:33.640 but also 100% sincerely terrified about what's happening, 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.230 that that allows for a multitude of different reactions 00:14:37.310 --> 00:14:39.520 that all still live in the same world. 00:14:42.270 --> 00:14:44.480 ...to blast you out of my head! 00:14:52.950 --> 00:14:54.870 -Yep. 00:14:56.910 --> 00:15:01.210 So, while he can be laughing, or making kind of a joke, 00:15:01.290 --> 00:15:05.500 or terrified, you know, of something really horrible and monstrous, 00:15:05.590 --> 00:15:07.210 at the same time, 00:15:07.300 --> 00:15:11.680 you can really be dealing with actual realistic childhood trauma. 00:15:11.760 --> 00:15:15.430 And then at the same time, a talking hippo is with you. 00:15:15.510 --> 00:15:19.230 Because it's already been set up as this psychological point of view, 00:15:19.310 --> 00:15:21.230 I think you're able to go with it. 00:15:23.980 --> 00:15:25.730 - Hold the door! Thank you. - Whoa! 00:15:28.110 --> 00:15:30.280 OLIVIER SCHNEIDER: Fight-wise or stunt-wise, 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:32.860 Steven Grant is just a regular guy. 00:15:33.950 --> 00:15:35.910 That's the most complicated things to do, 00:15:35.990 --> 00:15:38.950 when you have to choreograph a fight with someone story-wise 00:15:39.040 --> 00:15:40.330 who doesn't know how to fight. 00:15:40.410 --> 00:15:44.540 I love that because, I think even if you 00:15:44.750 --> 00:15:46.460 didn't practice any martial arts, 00:15:46.540 --> 00:15:50.470 or you've never been involved in a fight for real, 00:15:50.550 --> 00:15:53.340 you still can have that instinct to survive. 00:15:53.430 --> 00:15:55.850 You still have that instinct to protect yourself. 00:15:57.430 --> 00:15:58.720 Six! 00:15:59.930 --> 00:16:01.180 I prefer cricket. 00:16:01.270 --> 00:16:04.270 Another idea of Oscar was to bring a touch of humor. 00:16:04.850 --> 00:16:06.940 He could be a little bit goofy sometime, 00:16:07.020 --> 00:16:09.610 but sometimes, a fight of being goofy could save his life. 00:16:09.690 --> 00:16:11.240 Jackal. Jackal! 00:16:25.380 --> 00:16:27.960 I think Moon Knight costume, the two characters that we have 00:16:28.040 --> 00:16:30.920 are not like anything you saw in the Marvel universe. 00:16:31.010 --> 00:16:34.550 This is something coming from the imagination of a person 00:16:34.630 --> 00:16:36.090 inspired by an old God. 00:16:36.760 --> 00:16:39.760 Mr. Knight is what Steven 00:16:39.850 --> 00:16:42.020 imagines is cool. 00:16:42.350 --> 00:16:44.190 James Bond, something like that, right? 00:16:44.270 --> 00:16:47.770 A dapper gentleman that's a trickster and strong and funny. 00:16:47.860 --> 00:16:50.190 Oy, Steven, what the hell are we wearing? 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:53.320 I don't know. She said I needed a suit. 00:16:53.400 --> 00:16:56.110 For Mr. Knight, we have a custom three-piece suit. 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:58.450 We took references from the comic. 00:16:59.330 --> 00:17:02.200 We really wanted to make sure to bring in a little texture 00:17:02.290 --> 00:17:04.460 and not have it be flat white. 00:17:04.540 --> 00:17:08.250 So when the light hits it, there's a slight lamé that comes out 00:17:08.330 --> 00:17:10.750 to have a little brilliance to the suit. 00:17:11.380 --> 00:17:13.970 It has a waistcoat with custom buttons, 00:17:14.050 --> 00:17:15.590 the Khonshu symbol. 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:20.010 We adapted a sneaker because I wanted to give it a modernized look. 00:17:20.100 --> 00:17:22.810 Mohamed, our director, wanted them to have some straps on them 00:17:22.890 --> 00:17:24.730 in homage to mummies. 00:17:26.060 --> 00:17:28.980 Meghan did such an amazing job. 00:17:29.110 --> 00:17:32.280 And yeah, and it just became this great joke in it, 00:17:32.360 --> 00:17:35.700 where he's supposed to do the "suit," but doesn't know what that means. 00:17:35.780 --> 00:17:37.070 Well, I do look sharp, though. 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:39.570 - All right, where is the scarab? - Scarab, oh... 00:17:41.410 --> 00:17:43.500 What's this? What are these little poles for? 00:17:43.580 --> 00:17:48.170 The truncheons are used both by Moon Knight and by Mr. Knight. 00:17:48.250 --> 00:17:52.130 In the original comic, they had them housed on the lower leg, 00:17:52.210 --> 00:17:55.920 but for our purposes, because we wanted the size to be a little bit bigger, 00:17:56.010 --> 00:17:58.970 we just had them just coming from behind the back underneath the cape, 00:17:59.050 --> 00:18:00.800 or from underneath the jacket. 00:18:00.890 --> 00:18:02.100 Pretty cool, actually. 00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:03.850 Here's an interesting little tidbit. 00:18:03.930 --> 00:18:07.560 Originally, Marc had the Mr. Knight outfit 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.060 and Steven had the Moon Knight outfit. 00:18:10.190 --> 00:18:13.690 And then as Steven became this very, you know, English bloke, 00:18:13.780 --> 00:18:16.650 it's like, "I feel like Steven's Mr. Knight. Don't we think that?" 00:18:16.740 --> 00:18:19.410 And then they were like, "We were thinking the same thing." 00:18:19.490 --> 00:18:21.030 And so, then that got switched. 00:18:21.120 --> 00:18:22.410 All right, time out. 00:18:22.490 --> 00:18:25.540 That's it, time out! Guys, let's all calm down, yeah? 00:18:25.620 --> 00:18:26.960 We're all worked up. 00:18:27.040 --> 00:18:30.330 Let's all just, like, chill the F out and talk for a second... 00:18:31.500 --> 00:18:34.840 Take the body. Take the body, take the body, Marc. 00:18:37.220 --> 00:18:39.590 Moon Knight has such an iconic silhouette 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.100 that we knew the ballpark we wanted to stay in. 00:18:42.180 --> 00:18:44.310 Cowl, mask, cape. 00:18:44.390 --> 00:18:46.140 And then it came down to 00:18:46.220 --> 00:18:50.150 what were the subtle cues we wanted to play with within the wardrobe itself. 00:18:52.560 --> 00:18:54.980 I think it makes a really, really cool drawing, 00:18:55.070 --> 00:18:57.280 and for me that is Moon Knight. 00:18:57.360 --> 00:19:00.200 But once you actually put it on a real person, 00:19:00.280 --> 00:19:03.070 you start imagining how 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.790 an Egyptian God put SWAT team armor on somebody, you know? 00:19:06.870 --> 00:19:08.160 And it feels a little wrong. 00:19:09.250 --> 00:19:13.040 The design of it was a process, a collaborative process. 00:19:13.130 --> 00:19:14.460 Everyone chipped in. 00:19:14.540 --> 00:19:18.090 Oscar came in and he had a couple of great ideas about it. 00:19:18.170 --> 00:19:21.890 The costume was a big point of conversation in those early days. 00:19:22.550 --> 00:19:25.560 Ultimately, Ryan Meinerding stepped in 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.560 and came up with this concept design, 00:19:29.020 --> 00:19:33.520 that as soon as it showed up, everyone looked at it, and we're like, 00:19:33.610 --> 00:19:37.150 "I have not seen that and that's freaking terrifying." 00:19:38.190 --> 00:19:42.740 All over Moon Knight's legs, there are hieroglyphic inscriptions. 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:47.990 Ancient Egyptian language did not have the word "knight" in it. 00:19:48.120 --> 00:19:49.580 It didn't exist. 00:19:49.660 --> 00:19:54.040 So I had to come up with "The Protecting Soldier of the Moon." 00:19:54.580 --> 00:19:56.090 Ancient Egyptian Moon Knight. 00:19:58.420 --> 00:20:01.170 We worked with Marvel and their concept artists 00:20:01.260 --> 00:20:05.090 and also, obviously Meghan Kasperlik, who's the costume designer on the show 00:20:05.180 --> 00:20:07.430 to kind of take that concept on 00:20:07.510 --> 00:20:11.350 and turn this comic book hero into something real. 00:20:11.430 --> 00:20:15.100 Yeah, the gold is lovely. But, Kieran, can you move your arms okay? 00:20:15.190 --> 00:20:17.070 - All good. -Intrinsically, 00:20:17.190 --> 00:20:18.730 it needs to look like wrapped bandages. 00:20:18.820 --> 00:20:22.700 And in reality, that makes this an extremely difficult garment to make. 00:20:22.780 --> 00:20:24.740 'Cause obviously, each individual piece 00:20:24.820 --> 00:20:27.160 is an individual piece that's stitched together 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:29.910 and also still has to fit skintight on the human body. 00:20:29.990 --> 00:20:33.080 So we've had to find fabrics with the right stretch 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:36.750 and then we've printed the bandage textures onto them 00:20:36.830 --> 00:20:38.710 and obviously dyed those fabrics as well. 00:20:38.800 --> 00:20:42.760 We're trying to keep it light and cool so you don't overheat when you're wearing it 00:20:42.840 --> 00:20:44.430 and we're trying to keep it stretchy. 00:20:44.510 --> 00:20:47.510 At the same time making sure that the fabrics and everything in it 00:20:47.600 --> 00:20:50.640 are robust enough to take falls and heavy stunt work. 00:20:53.520 --> 00:20:55.400 The Moon Knight costume and how it formed, 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:57.730 it was a long journey getting something that 00:20:57.810 --> 00:20:59.480 I think everyone was feeling good about. 00:20:59.570 --> 00:21:02.030 Just because we have seen so many different transformations 00:21:02.110 --> 00:21:05.740 in so many different movies and superhero projects, 00:21:05.820 --> 00:21:08.490 we tried a lot of different things but wanted to make sure that 00:21:08.570 --> 00:21:11.330 it felt like it was a magical transformation. 00:21:11.410 --> 00:21:13.660 But not something that was coming from too far away, 00:21:13.750 --> 00:21:17.000 we wanted it to feel like it was coming from close to his person. 00:21:17.080 --> 00:21:20.090 All right. Do it. Take control. For now. 00:21:27.220 --> 00:21:29.800 So much of it was real layering of materials 00:21:29.890 --> 00:21:32.680 that made this costume feel more real in the end. 00:21:32.770 --> 00:21:34.600 Even though I know it was a lot of work 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:36.980 for the team that put the actual costume together 00:21:37.100 --> 00:21:39.860 and for Meghan and her team to actually get it done, 00:21:40.360 --> 00:21:43.650 having new material for us to photograph 00:21:43.740 --> 00:21:46.030 and to see how it moved was critical. 00:21:58.330 --> 00:22:01.920 You can describe Moon Knight as being almost Marc's id. 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.670 Him in his most unleashed, his most unfeeling, 00:22:04.760 --> 00:22:06.760 his most violent, his most vengeful. 00:22:08.890 --> 00:22:11.260 -I think we struggled with Marc. -Mmm-hmm. 00:22:11.350 --> 00:22:13.220 We struggled to find him on the page. 00:22:13.810 --> 00:22:15.890 Steven is very easy to digest. 00:22:15.980 --> 00:22:17.850 Right away, you fall in love with him 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:20.480 - from the third scene or something. - Mmm-hmm. 00:22:20.730 --> 00:22:25.190 And I was so scared from episode three that people just don't connect to Marc. 00:22:25.280 --> 00:22:29.700 Who is he? He's not as fun, he's not as sympathetic, he's not. 00:22:29.780 --> 00:22:33.740 The first time we ever met Marc on set, it was like the air came out of the room, 00:22:33.830 --> 00:22:35.870 'cause he was in this... Not Oscar, 00:22:35.950 --> 00:22:38.460 Marc in the scene was in this horrible mood. 00:22:38.710 --> 00:22:42.420 And so, you know, the whole mood changed from bubbly, fun Steven 00:22:42.500 --> 00:22:44.750 to "All right, time to focus, everybody." 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:50.300 At first I was unsure, and so I said, 00:22:50.390 --> 00:22:53.430 "I don't wanna film any Marc things on the same day as Steven. 00:22:53.510 --> 00:22:56.180 Can we figure it out so we can do 'em on different days, 00:22:56.270 --> 00:22:57.980 so I can keep them really distinct?" 00:22:58.060 --> 00:23:01.100 Okay, here we go. Stand by. And action! 00:23:01.190 --> 00:23:04.110 I didn't do that. I am protecting her from Khonshu. 00:23:04.190 --> 00:23:06.150 You don't know what you're talking about. 00:23:06.230 --> 00:23:09.320 He's got his eyes on her. He wants her as my replacement. I'm never... 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:11.450 You don't know what you're talking about, Steven. 00:23:11.530 --> 00:23:12.530 Just shut up. 00:23:12.820 --> 00:23:15.700 And, by the way, Marc isn't Oscar's regular voice, either. 00:23:15.790 --> 00:23:18.910 You know, that's a completely invented accent. 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:21.540 Listen to me, buddy. Hey, listen to me. 00:23:21.620 --> 00:23:22.960 Get away from that bag. 00:23:23.040 --> 00:23:25.590 Get away from that bag. You're gonna get her killed. 00:23:25.670 --> 00:23:28.460 Giving Marc a bit of a Chicago thing going on 00:23:28.550 --> 00:23:31.510 and then really delving into the lore of the comics, 00:23:31.590 --> 00:23:37.520 and giving him a lower register of voice, a different way of standing 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:42.770 and finding the physicality to make them very, very, distinct. 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:47.480 Cut! 00:23:47.570 --> 00:23:48.690 I started to find, 00:23:48.780 --> 00:23:53.200 as I got more comfortable with these two different people, 00:23:53.280 --> 00:23:55.320 I started to develop the muscle 00:23:55.410 --> 00:23:58.290 to be able to transition between the two easier. 00:23:58.370 --> 00:24:00.830 And then, as it went on, 00:24:00.910 --> 00:24:03.250 that started to feel like the real magic trick. 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.040 For the timing, do you want me to say the lines of Steven? 00:24:07.130 --> 00:24:09.210 So you know how long to stay on the reflection for? 00:24:09.300 --> 00:24:10.380 Beautiful, yeah. 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:13.550 There's a scene on the cliff, 00:24:13.630 --> 00:24:17.350 Marc talks to Steven and then we go back to Oscar like three, four times. 00:24:17.430 --> 00:24:20.060 What the hell's wrong with you, Steven? 00:24:20.140 --> 00:24:22.810 Me? You're the one going on a killing spree. 00:24:22.890 --> 00:24:24.480 What he did was magical. 00:24:25.150 --> 00:24:26.400 I'm just changing the camera 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:28.770 and he's changing as a human being, from Marc to Steven. 00:24:28.860 --> 00:24:31.860 And Marc and Steven are completely different and it's not easy for Oscar. 00:24:31.940 --> 00:24:34.820 I suggest you stop listening to that stupid pigeon. 00:24:34.910 --> 00:24:36.160 Stay out of my way. 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:39.370 By the end, it was really fun because you could just see, 00:24:39.450 --> 00:24:42.000 in just the eyes, you could see when there was a shift. 00:24:42.080 --> 00:24:44.170 You didn't even have to change, you could see, 00:24:44.250 --> 00:24:46.170 "Oh, there's Marc. Marc's here," 00:24:46.250 --> 00:24:49.050 and that was really exciting. 00:24:51.050 --> 00:24:53.380 I can look at a still photo of him 00:24:53.470 --> 00:24:56.260 and know if he's playing Steven or Marc. Nothing different. 00:24:56.340 --> 00:24:59.510 It's just he holds himself differently. Immediately. 00:24:59.600 --> 00:25:02.430 When we think back on it, we spent time with 00:25:02.520 --> 00:25:05.600 three people in the same body over that time period of shooting. 00:25:05.730 --> 00:25:08.980 We all got to know Oscar and then we all got to know Steven 00:25:09.070 --> 00:25:11.280 - and then we all got to know Marc. - Yeah. 00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.910 When you have an amazing hero, 00:25:15.990 --> 00:25:18.450 when you set the bar that high with an Oscar Isaac, 00:25:18.530 --> 00:25:21.990 you then go, "Okay, what do we do with the villain?" 00:25:22.080 --> 00:25:24.410 The fact that Ethan Hawke came into the mix, 00:25:24.500 --> 00:25:26.120 those are two dream castings. 00:25:26.210 --> 00:25:30.090 Very different than the discoveries that we've made, right? 00:25:30.170 --> 00:25:32.800 Those are two very big, very established stars 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:34.840 that we are very lucky to have 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:37.640 come into our world and inhabit these characters. 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:39.010 She was betrayed. 00:25:39.100 --> 00:25:42.270 -Was she? -By indolent fellow Gods. 00:25:42.350 --> 00:25:43.430 Oh. 00:25:43.520 --> 00:25:44.810 By even her own Avatar. 00:25:44.890 --> 00:25:48.100 The Avatars, too? Blue people, right? Love that film. 00:25:48.190 --> 00:25:50.400 - By avatar, what I mean... - You mean the anime? 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:52.780 Steven. Stop it. Stop it. 00:25:52.860 --> 00:25:55.820 I had seen some of Mohamed Diab's movies 00:25:55.900 --> 00:25:59.320 and we were talking about making a little indie sci-fi movie. 00:25:59.530 --> 00:26:03.580 We were, like, about to start and we got this job and I asked him, 00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:05.580 "Can you wait for a year?" And he said yes. 00:26:05.660 --> 00:26:09.330 And it was just like we clicked, and we felt like we wanna do something together. 00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:11.460 I had been watching Good Lord Bird 00:26:11.540 --> 00:26:14.010 and it was just, like, a staggering performance. 00:26:14.090 --> 00:26:16.090 As Mohamed and I were talking about Harrow, 00:26:16.170 --> 00:26:19.550 I said, "Hey, man, you know, what about Ethan? Wouldn't Ethan be great?" 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:21.930 Mohamed said, "Yes, I love Ethan. I know Ethan. 00:26:22.010 --> 00:26:25.100 "I think that'd be so good. That's such a great idea, we should do that." 00:26:25.180 --> 00:26:27.890 I think it was the very next day, I went down to my coffee shop 00:26:27.980 --> 00:26:29.020 and there Ethan was. 00:26:29.100 --> 00:26:31.940 And I had seen him around, but I never had talked to him. 00:26:32.020 --> 00:26:34.940 And he's like, "Hey, I heard you talked to Mohamed the other day." 00:26:35.030 --> 00:26:38.400 He goes, "I'm playing the Moon Knight." And I was like, "I didn't know that." 00:26:38.490 --> 00:26:41.530 And he's "You should be the villain. Mohamed and I talked about it." 00:26:41.620 --> 00:26:43.370 It was a very easy yes. 00:26:43.450 --> 00:26:45.450 I mean, I never even thought twice about it. 00:26:56.710 --> 00:26:58.920 What's so interesting about the comics 00:26:59.010 --> 00:27:00.930 is they don't have a defining villain. 00:27:01.010 --> 00:27:03.760 And that allowed us to try to really, 00:27:03.850 --> 00:27:06.430 what aspects of some of the villains do we want to keep. 00:27:06.850 --> 00:27:10.810 What aspects really help the origin story? 00:27:11.560 --> 00:27:16.690 You know, what I believe he started out as was a shady billionaire, sort of. 00:27:16.780 --> 00:27:19.280 - Something like that, right? - Yes, that's how it started. 00:27:19.360 --> 00:27:21.860 And then changing him to essentially a cult leader. 00:27:21.950 --> 00:27:27.500 But we talked a lot with Ethan about how to make that real because, 00:27:27.580 --> 00:27:32.790 you know, his zealousness and his belief is for a world without pain. 00:27:33.080 --> 00:27:37.130 And that's, for us, you know, a much more interesting character than someone 00:27:37.210 --> 00:27:39.550 that just has maliciousness at heart, you know? 00:27:39.630 --> 00:27:43.470 The idea in episode six when he goes to Ammit and tell her, "Take my life." 00:27:43.550 --> 00:27:47.520 He's not one of those villains who are actually trying to get their ways because 00:27:47.600 --> 00:27:49.810 "I wanna control the world." He doesn't care. 00:27:49.890 --> 00:27:51.810 Your Scales lack balance. 00:27:52.690 --> 00:27:55.770 I accept the Scales regardless of the outcome. 00:27:57.530 --> 00:28:00.490 Most people who commit terrible crimes don't think... 00:28:00.570 --> 00:28:03.070 They wake up in the morning and go, "I'm a bad guy." 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.030 They have their reasons. Hell is paved with their reasons. 00:28:06.120 --> 00:28:11.870 And so, I had to come up with his reasons and make them as rational and sane 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:13.420 and compelling as possible. 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.420 When you think about cult leaders throughout history, 00:28:18.550 --> 00:28:20.800 megalomaniacs, 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:26.100 they very often, at least start out extremely idealistic. 00:28:26.180 --> 00:28:30.020 You see real, moral aspirations in a lot of these people. 00:28:30.100 --> 00:28:34.770 And so I tried to tap into what he believes, and that if... 00:28:34.850 --> 00:28:36.940 You have to believe that you're really helping. 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.900 We are here to make the Earth as much like Heaven as possible. 00:28:43.070 --> 00:28:44.700 Who'd like to go first? 00:28:45.410 --> 00:28:48.990 I think that most successful villains in the history of Marvel 00:28:49.080 --> 00:28:52.910 are the couple of villains that actually have some gray in them, 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:54.670 like Killmonger or Thanos. 00:28:54.750 --> 00:28:57.330 People actually thought, "You know what? You have a point." 00:28:57.420 --> 00:29:01.710 And I hope Harrow is... People are gonna feel that about him. He has a logic. 00:29:01.800 --> 00:29:04.180 Yeah, there's a logic. And then there is also... 00:29:04.260 --> 00:29:07.430 It's very clear that this guy comes from a lot of pain. 00:29:07.510 --> 00:29:12.020 Comes from a lot of pain, and that he has a humanity to him via that pain. 00:29:13.560 --> 00:29:17.190 We got the pleasure of being able to direct the opening scene of episode one 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.900 - that originally was to open episode two. -Yeah. 00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:22.780 We wish we could take credit for it, but we can't. 00:29:22.860 --> 00:29:24.740 We have to lay it at the feet of Ethan Hawke. 00:29:24.820 --> 00:29:28.410 He came up with this idea that was a brilliant introduction scene. 00:29:28.490 --> 00:29:30.490 That's why you hire Ethan Hawke. 00:29:30.580 --> 00:29:33.700 You just watched somebody put glass in their shoe and walk away with a cane. 00:29:33.790 --> 00:29:36.540 And then, you know, scenes later, 00:29:36.620 --> 00:29:39.590 this guy comes crunching down the road. 00:29:39.670 --> 00:29:41.170 And you already know who he is, 00:29:41.250 --> 00:29:43.710 you already know that this guy's pretty messed up. 00:29:43.800 --> 00:29:48.890 And it just creates so much mystery and interest in who this person is, 00:29:48.970 --> 00:29:50.930 and that was all him. 00:29:51.010 --> 00:29:56.560 The idea of that cold open, we took it and we played with it in the table reads. 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.480 I think it was Grant who said we should pay off the shoes, 00:30:00.560 --> 00:30:02.730 - it shouldn't just be an oddity. -Smart. 00:30:02.820 --> 00:30:05.070 Anything that is planted, it has to have repercussions, 00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:06.700 that domino effect of everything. 00:30:06.780 --> 00:30:09.530 And a lot of things just, like, got born 00:30:09.620 --> 00:30:11.830 - through those table reads. -Yeah. 00:30:13.330 --> 00:30:14.910 Hey, you see that, don't you? 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:19.040 Oh, yeah, I see it. I see it. 00:30:19.120 --> 00:30:22.750 Grant Curtis, our producer, I give him so much credit for this too 00:30:22.840 --> 00:30:26.090 and Kevin and everybody at Marvel, that they gave us the space to do this. 00:30:26.170 --> 00:30:29.760 We would have weekly table reads of the episodes 00:30:29.840 --> 00:30:31.760 and just ask tons of questions 00:30:31.850 --> 00:30:33.850 and get in there like mechanics, you know? 00:30:34.100 --> 00:30:38.770 It evolved into something that was way more deeply philosophical. 00:30:39.190 --> 00:30:44.480 It became super collaborative with Marvel and the performers and you guys, 00:30:44.570 --> 00:30:49.320 where we ended up kind of re-understanding the character just from a character level. 00:30:49.410 --> 00:30:52.030 We created, I think, an environment 00:30:52.120 --> 00:30:54.660 that allowed people to speak their mind narratively, 00:30:54.740 --> 00:30:56.250 there was never judgment. 00:30:56.330 --> 00:30:58.330 Just, "Yeah, what's best for my character? 00:30:58.410 --> 00:31:00.880 "I'm throwing this out there, bounce ideas back and forth." 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.550 And it made our scripts and our stories and our series much better. 00:31:04.630 --> 00:31:06.960 When on set, it was how do we make this work? 00:31:07.050 --> 00:31:09.130 How do we make this the most honest it can be? 00:31:09.220 --> 00:31:12.300 And we were all on the same page and so, 00:31:12.390 --> 00:31:16.310 that's why I think it feels seamless with Aaron and Justin, with Mohamed, 00:31:16.390 --> 00:31:18.600 'cause we were all talking about all those things. 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:20.770 I mean, it was all out there in the open. 00:31:21.690 --> 00:31:23.860 May was on the table with us. 00:31:24.360 --> 00:31:27.740 - She was a strong fighter for Layla. -Mmm-hmm. 00:31:27.860 --> 00:31:31.280 Layla wouldn't have been the way she was without May. 00:31:31.360 --> 00:31:32.740 - Without a doubt. - Uh, 00:31:32.820 --> 00:31:34.780 she was like between her and Sarah 00:31:34.870 --> 00:31:38.080 being the female voices in the room, I think the two of them 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.750 and Egyptians knowing who she is, 00:31:40.870 --> 00:31:43.210 the struggles that she had to go through. 00:31:43.290 --> 00:31:44.460 Casting Layla wasn't easy 00:31:44.540 --> 00:31:47.380 because I knew from the beginning that it's not just a role, 00:31:47.500 --> 00:31:51.550 it represents a whole group of people, around the world. 00:31:52.260 --> 00:31:54.140 I love May as an actress, 00:31:54.220 --> 00:31:55.850 but it was very important for me 00:31:56.060 --> 00:31:58.770 as an Arab to find someone who can represent us. 00:31:58.850 --> 00:32:01.600 - So no one's gonna be here? - Yeah, you wanna just be giving... 00:32:01.690 --> 00:32:04.770 I didn't really know anything about the role before I took it on. 00:32:04.860 --> 00:32:07.230 She was Egyptian and that for me 00:32:07.320 --> 00:32:11.240 was a very exciting thing to portray in a Marvel production. 00:32:11.530 --> 00:32:14.870 And then as time went by and I started to figure out more about her 00:32:14.950 --> 00:32:17.410 and I found out her, like, trajectory and journey, 00:32:17.490 --> 00:32:19.240 that became even more exciting. 00:32:21.120 --> 00:32:25.500 Mohamed went for actors that I think he just intuitively know commit, 00:32:25.790 --> 00:32:29.340 just commit fully and are not afraid to look silly doing it 00:32:29.510 --> 00:32:31.670 or, you know, whatever it takes. 00:32:32.010 --> 00:32:36.890 At every turn, she was completely game and also had wonderful ideas 00:32:37.050 --> 00:32:39.770 about this character and about giving her a real voice. 00:32:39.890 --> 00:32:42.060 Just so you know, I'm not here to help you. 00:32:43.060 --> 00:32:46.230 I'm here for me and for everyone else who would die if Harrow succeeds. 00:32:46.360 --> 00:32:47.980 I struggled a lot in the beginning. 00:32:48.110 --> 00:32:49.940 As like quite a vulnerable person, 00:32:50.030 --> 00:32:54.110 I had this idea of, like, Layla has to be really strong 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:57.410 and she doesn't have feelings and I would get really insecure 00:32:57.490 --> 00:33:01.450 when I'd, like, crack or cry or feel a bit emotional. 00:33:01.790 --> 00:33:04.620 But this is just kind of a real person 00:33:04.750 --> 00:33:08.170 and it was important for me to show all those sides of a woman. 00:33:08.290 --> 00:33:10.800 Every time I learn something new about you, 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:16.510 I think, "That's it. There can't possibly be any secrets left between us." 00:33:16.970 --> 00:33:21.390 And then something else pops up, and it's like I've not known you at all. 00:33:21.520 --> 00:33:23.850 Yeah, you haven't. 00:33:25.310 --> 00:33:26.310 You don't. 00:33:27.350 --> 00:33:29.860 I loved doing episode four 00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:32.280 because I feel like Layla got a lot of space 00:33:32.360 --> 00:33:35.570 for us to see what she's going through, like, internally 00:33:35.650 --> 00:33:39.070 sort of be manifested through the experience in the tomb. 00:33:40.370 --> 00:33:43.750 The scene with Harrow felt like a play on the day 00:33:43.830 --> 00:33:47.370 because we were so spread apart that there were two cranes filming us. 00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:51.550 We did all of our close ups at the same time, which was really incredible. 00:33:51.750 --> 00:33:53.590 You handled that beautifully. 00:33:55.630 --> 00:33:56.970 Why do all men like you 00:33:58.510 --> 00:34:03.930 feel it necessary to be so condescending? 00:34:04.390 --> 00:34:06.690 It was really important for me to have Layla 00:34:06.770 --> 00:34:09.810 not just to be, like, serving a man's journey. 00:34:10.020 --> 00:34:11.020 Are you done? 00:34:11.110 --> 00:34:13.480 Whether it's her father or her lover or whatnot, 00:34:13.570 --> 00:34:17.610 I feel like she's discovering herself, which is the biggest thing. 00:34:18.700 --> 00:34:20.530 I do hope you find closure. 00:34:25.640 --> 00:34:27.310 So this is our Cairo set. 00:34:28.060 --> 00:34:29.600 It's a very big day for us. 00:34:29.730 --> 00:34:31.860 We have 255 extras working. 00:34:32.150 --> 00:34:34.650 There's 55 picture cars circling through there, 00:34:34.730 --> 00:34:37.450 along with Oscar and May walking through the streets of Cairo. 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:40.070 -And action! 00:34:41.870 --> 00:34:45.040 When I got on the Cairo streets, I was so overwhelmed. 00:34:45.160 --> 00:34:47.370 I had actual anxiety, which is... 00:34:47.500 --> 00:34:51.920 I feel that there sometimes just because there's so much going on. 00:34:53.710 --> 00:34:55.880 One of the most interesting things was 00:34:56.170 --> 00:34:59.430 creating downtown Cairo in Budapest. 00:35:00.510 --> 00:35:02.550 TREVOR WATERSON: We built a big backlot area 00:35:02.680 --> 00:35:04.850 that's about four or five blocks of Cairo 00:35:04.930 --> 00:35:07.930 with the green screen behind which will be the pyramid. 00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:13.060 Mohamed wanted to make sure that if we weren't going to film in Egypt, 00:35:13.230 --> 00:35:16.730 we were going to have Egypt replicated to a T. 00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:20.490 I'll tell you something that pisses people in Egypt. 00:35:20.570 --> 00:35:23.160 The pyramids, it's always in the middle of the desert. 00:35:23.240 --> 00:35:24.830 It has a side that is in the desert, 00:35:24.910 --> 00:35:27.080 and the other side is in the center of the city. 00:35:27.700 --> 00:35:30.960 So it was very important for me to portray Egypt 00:35:32.170 --> 00:35:33.170 as real Egypt. 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.000 We brought Egypt to Budapest. 00:35:37.710 --> 00:35:40.590 Basically reconstructed Cairo here. 00:35:40.720 --> 00:35:44.800 Cairo neighborhood down to, you know, the license plates 00:35:45.140 --> 00:35:48.060 and just even the T-shirts and everything in Arabic. 00:35:48.180 --> 00:35:50.890 And really, it brought me back to being in Cairo. 00:35:50.980 --> 00:35:52.060 It was really impressive. 00:35:53.650 --> 00:35:54.900 Everything, all right. 00:35:55.230 --> 00:35:58.650 I had tons of Egyptians, extras. 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:00.490 And some of them told me, 00:36:00.570 --> 00:36:03.490 I haven't visited Egypt in five years, and I finally feel home. 00:36:03.570 --> 00:36:05.620 And they were just very emotional about it. 00:36:07.410 --> 00:36:10.870 Moon Knight is a gigantic production. 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.120 Probably the biggest production we've done so far, 00:36:13.210 --> 00:36:16.000 as far as just the overall scope and size of the show. 00:36:16.090 --> 00:36:19.800 We needed to go to a place that we could get as many stages as we need. 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.010 Get as much backlot space as we need. 00:36:22.090 --> 00:36:24.430 I knew that we would be able to pull off practically 00:36:24.510 --> 00:36:26.300 what we needed to pull off in Budapest. 00:36:28.140 --> 00:36:32.440 We completely fell in love with our production designer Stefania. 00:36:32.690 --> 00:36:35.940 She's a character and a great person and a hard worker, 00:36:36.020 --> 00:36:37.860 but also just a genius, right? 00:36:37.940 --> 00:36:41.360 I remember the day she showed us that museum. 00:36:41.490 --> 00:36:44.740 - Mmm-hmm. - I was blown away like everyone. 00:36:44.860 --> 00:36:48.990 It's a replica of everything Egyptian I've ever seen in my life. It's, it's... 00:36:49.370 --> 00:36:51.660 She and her team, everyone, geniuses. 00:36:55.040 --> 00:36:59.090 We are in the Museum of Fine Arts in Budapest. 00:37:00.170 --> 00:37:03.090 And we are recreating 00:37:03.170 --> 00:37:06.140 what is supposed to be the equivalent of the British Museum. 00:37:06.220 --> 00:37:09.430 Egyptian part of the British Museum in London, 00:37:09.720 --> 00:37:14.020 with three big rooms that we're dressing with our artifacts. 00:37:15.770 --> 00:37:19.690 We made something like 140 pieces, 00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:24.200 from the biggest one, which is six meter and something high 00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.700 to the smallest items that have been sculpted and designed 00:37:27.780 --> 00:37:29.330 and then recreated, yes. 00:37:29.530 --> 00:37:31.660 Like jewels and small, small, small pieces. 00:37:32.580 --> 00:37:38.920 Because most of our story is the duplicity of Steven and Marc, 00:37:39.290 --> 00:37:44.220 those enclosed glass display they were giving us, 00:37:44.300 --> 00:37:48.010 you know, the playground of reflection that we needed. 00:37:55.560 --> 00:37:56.940 I can't believe it. 00:37:57.980 --> 00:38:00.360 Oh, my days. We're inside. 00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:03.360 We're inside the great pyramid of Giza. 00:38:07.820 --> 00:38:09.320 This is our biggest set. 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:12.700 Probably. One of our biggest sets, if not the biggest. 00:38:12.950 --> 00:38:15.750 We're inside the pyramids of Giza, 00:38:16.120 --> 00:38:18.080 and this is where the Avatars meet. 00:38:18.210 --> 00:38:20.960 So it's a very essential place to the story. 00:38:21.130 --> 00:38:22.880 A lot of our story takes place there. 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.970 A lot of everything kind of comes together there in that set. 00:38:26.050 --> 00:38:27.970 So it was important for us to build that. 00:38:28.050 --> 00:38:30.930 What we built practically was about three stories, 00:38:31.010 --> 00:38:33.100 as high as we could build onto the stage. 00:38:35.180 --> 00:38:38.350 We are on stage six at the Origo, 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:42.110 and this is the set that we call the Chambers of the Gods. 00:38:42.520 --> 00:38:45.940 Here we are. Shooting tomorrow. 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:49.360 It's kind of scary because I've never done anything like this. 00:38:49.450 --> 00:38:53.620 You know, it's very difficult to do Egypt 00:38:53.740 --> 00:38:59.960 because I think it's so easy to become cliché. 00:39:00.460 --> 00:39:03.090 You know, Vegas type of a thing. 00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:05.670 I had two Egyptologists. 00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:09.470 One from here, one in LA, and a researcher. 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:11.470 You know, we can take license, 00:39:11.720 --> 00:39:17.730 and obviously we did take license, but in a respectful way, I think. 00:39:20.730 --> 00:39:26.400 I wanted to mix the Gods that are the Marvel characters 00:39:26.900 --> 00:39:29.400 with the original Gods statues. 00:39:32.570 --> 00:39:37.540 You know, the idea was that every portal is where the Avatars come in. 00:39:38.620 --> 00:39:39.790 The disturbance. 00:39:41.080 --> 00:39:44.920 Egyptian Gods are very tall in scale, 00:39:45.040 --> 00:39:50.760 and we didn't want to have just feet and knees on camera. 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:56.890 So we brought down the faces and the representative animal 00:39:56.970 --> 00:39:59.930 on ground level in the temple 00:40:00.020 --> 00:40:04.310 to have a more interesting interaction. 00:40:04.650 --> 00:40:06.940 We will decide our best course of action. 00:40:07.900 --> 00:40:09.030 Speak your purpose. 00:40:10.150 --> 00:40:11.900 The detail that was there 00:40:11.990 --> 00:40:14.700 and the sculptures that we had in the Hall of Gods 00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:16.450 was amazing craftsmanship. 00:40:16.660 --> 00:40:17.950 We had a whole stone shop 00:40:18.040 --> 00:40:20.160 of people that were just there building statues. 00:40:20.250 --> 00:40:23.750 That's all they did all day long was mold and form and carve statues. 00:40:25.670 --> 00:40:28.630 The Alexander the Great set, the amount of detail... 00:40:28.750 --> 00:40:32.130 There is no motivating reason to go in and take a closeup of it. 00:40:32.220 --> 00:40:35.300 But if you did, everywhere you looked in this chamber, 00:40:35.430 --> 00:40:37.600 it looks so authentic. It's so detailed. 00:40:37.680 --> 00:40:39.470 Every little painting on the wall. 00:40:40.020 --> 00:40:43.600 We are in Alexander's burial chamber. 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:48.440 This was one of everybody's most favorite set. 00:40:49.530 --> 00:40:52.400 We have some of Alexander's treasure. 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:54.610 His famous horse. 00:40:55.200 --> 00:40:57.070 His personal shield. 00:40:58.030 --> 00:41:02.910 One of the challenging parts was to paint it in a way that was accurate, 00:41:03.540 --> 00:41:06.960 not by just one painter, but by multiple people, 00:41:07.040 --> 00:41:08.590 which would have happened. 00:41:09.500 --> 00:41:13.920 We contacted an art school in Budapest, 00:41:14.220 --> 00:41:17.680 where they have fantastic young artists. 00:41:18.180 --> 00:41:23.350 We put out several projectors with the layout of the hieroglyphs, 00:41:23.520 --> 00:41:26.270 and they basically came and they painted. 00:41:26.350 --> 00:41:28.560 So it was a fantastic experience for us, 00:41:28.690 --> 00:41:30.730 because for me seeing 00:41:31.030 --> 00:41:34.700 younger people involved in something so different 00:41:34.780 --> 00:41:37.240 from what they do was... 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:38.780 They were very enthusiastic, 00:41:38.870 --> 00:41:44.540 and I think ultimately it's priceless what they gave us. 00:41:45.790 --> 00:41:49.630 What Stefania did with these sets as the production designer 00:41:49.710 --> 00:41:51.340 is just so important. 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:53.670 For me, it's not because, 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.880 oh, I can feel like I'm really there, you know. It's because... 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.970 I see an artist bring their top game. 00:42:01.060 --> 00:42:04.730 I see them come in and, like, make huge choices about the story. 00:42:04.890 --> 00:42:07.850 There's like little Easter eggs that connect to other episodes. 00:42:07.940 --> 00:42:12.360 There's, like... Amazing thought has gone into creating these sets. 00:42:12.980 --> 00:42:15.530 So it's like, this person is committing fully 00:42:15.610 --> 00:42:17.700 and bringing everything they have to the table. 00:42:17.780 --> 00:42:18.780 I wanna do that, too. 00:42:22.080 --> 00:42:25.450 I hope that part of the joy of watching this show will be 00:42:25.540 --> 00:42:27.960 exposure to this amazing Egyptian mythology 00:42:28.040 --> 00:42:29.750 that a lot of people don't have. 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.840 We dealt with clic Joseph Campbell myths 00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:36.090 for years in the West. 00:42:36.170 --> 00:42:42.100 We saw a Stan Lee and Jack Kirby adapted version of Norse myths, of course. 00:42:42.180 --> 00:42:46.560 And now really tapping into the mythology of ancient Egypt, 00:42:46.640 --> 00:42:52.650 which is so formative for humanity itself and for storytelling in general. 00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:54.860 Egyptian mythology is one of the oldest 00:42:54.940 --> 00:42:57.150 and the most fascinating ones in the world. 00:42:57.820 --> 00:43:01.070 I think Hollywood has been reluctant to approach it. 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:03.990 I was lucky that I was given the chance to show that. 00:43:04.160 --> 00:43:07.830 And I was lucky that the elements of the story had that from the get-go. 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:09.620 We had a great team. 00:43:09.710 --> 00:43:11.460 We had the Egyptologists. 00:43:11.580 --> 00:43:15.920 We had Ramy Romany with us making sure that everything is correct. 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:17.380 Let's start with... 00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:20.800 Marvel was very keen on trying to make Moon Knight 00:43:20.970 --> 00:43:25.510 as historically accurate as possible for a fictional show. 00:43:25.930 --> 00:43:29.390 They were trying to thread that needle between historical accuracy 00:43:29.560 --> 00:43:31.940 and comic book accuracy. 00:43:33.610 --> 00:43:38.320 The idea of an Avatar is an ancient Egyptian idea. 00:43:38.570 --> 00:43:42.070 Every pharaoh is believed to be the God Horus. 00:43:42.160 --> 00:43:44.580 So every ancient Egyptian pharaoh 00:43:44.870 --> 00:43:47.290 is actually the Avatar of God Horus. 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.800 Binding the gods into a stone. 00:43:59.260 --> 00:44:01.800 Now that's fiction. That didn't happen. 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:03.720 But ushabtis are true. 00:44:03.930 --> 00:44:07.510 Every time you go in any royal tomb, there are ushabtis 00:44:07.680 --> 00:44:11.480 that would help the deceased, the king or nobleman, 00:44:11.690 --> 00:44:13.650 into his journey of the afterlife. 00:44:13.850 --> 00:44:16.150 Those ushabtis come to life, 00:44:16.520 --> 00:44:18.610 and they serve the king in the afterlife. 00:44:20.780 --> 00:44:23.490 Filming in Budapest, there's a museum, 00:44:23.570 --> 00:44:25.870 and it's got an ancient Egyptian collection. 00:44:26.030 --> 00:44:30.660 And there's a little cabinet, of Taweret ushabtis 00:44:30.750 --> 00:44:32.660 and there's a Taweret necklace. 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:34.370 And that was really special. 00:44:34.460 --> 00:44:38.380 It kind of brings home that it's not just a make-believe character 00:44:38.500 --> 00:44:42.590 that we're bringing for the series, but it has a long history. 00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:44.720 Also being half Egyptian myself, 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:49.310 it's great that I get to play this ancient Egyptian mythical character. 00:44:56.230 --> 00:44:57.230 Anything else? 00:44:57.310 --> 00:45:00.570 -That's it. Let's cut. -Amazing. Yeah, let's cut it. 00:45:00.650 --> 00:45:02.320 Antonia is another fellow Egyptian... 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:03.400 Thanks, guys. 00:45:03.490 --> 00:45:07.030 ...who the moment everyone heard her, this is Taweret. 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:11.290 By the way, today I learned Taweret, without the R. 00:45:11.580 --> 00:45:13.580 - Whoa! - Taweret. Taweret. 00:45:13.660 --> 00:45:15.000 I'm just gonna have you say it. 00:45:15.120 --> 00:45:17.630 I'm saying it and I hope I'm saying it in the right way. 00:45:17.710 --> 00:45:20.420 We're all learning. It's a language that is not spoken. 00:45:20.750 --> 00:45:22.550 - So we're all learning it. - Right, right. 00:45:22.630 --> 00:45:25.590 But she is the character, I think, like... 00:45:26.300 --> 00:45:27.430 they moved the character 00:45:27.510 --> 00:45:30.390 and created the character visually around her performance. 00:45:30.470 --> 00:45:33.680 I remember the VFX team showing us early motion capture. 00:45:33.770 --> 00:45:36.850 - Yeah. - They show us her little test 00:45:36.980 --> 00:45:40.020 and then they show the exact mannerisms 00:45:40.150 --> 00:45:42.730 being doubled by a giant hippo. It was hilarious. 00:45:42.820 --> 00:45:44.360 This will really bake your noodle, 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.070 but I think you were just taking a little time-out. 00:45:47.160 --> 00:45:49.990 I'm afraid you're actually quite dead. 00:45:50.080 --> 00:45:53.620 We talked about actually having a real costume for Khonshu, 00:45:53.700 --> 00:45:55.410 a real costume for Taweret, 00:45:55.500 --> 00:45:57.290 a real costume for Ammit. 00:45:57.420 --> 00:46:00.000 Again, I don't like telling a visual effects vendor, 00:46:00.130 --> 00:46:02.340 just make it look real, make it look like real cloth. 00:46:02.420 --> 00:46:04.010 I'd much rather be able to say, 00:46:04.130 --> 00:46:08.300 match the way that the light reflects off of Antonia's shoulder, 00:46:08.390 --> 00:46:11.310 or match the way the beads look on our Ammit dress. 00:46:11.390 --> 00:46:13.270 And then, yeah, having a performance. 00:46:13.350 --> 00:46:15.140 I mean, having that for real 00:46:15.230 --> 00:46:17.770 was was one of the things that I really pushed for. 00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:22.690 Welcome, gentle traveler... Travelers, 00:46:22.770 --> 00:46:24.940 to the realm of the Duat. 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.530 I think they're using really new technology 00:46:28.160 --> 00:46:32.370 where I am not burdened by this kind of motion capture suit anymore. 00:46:32.870 --> 00:46:35.120 I'm only wearing my costume. 00:46:35.620 --> 00:46:39.210 And then we have the stick, where basically there's an eyeline 00:46:39.290 --> 00:46:43.550 for the nine-foot-tall version of Khonshu, which will be placed in later. 00:46:43.750 --> 00:46:47.930 We had a full-scale Khonshu skull that we had manufactured. 00:46:48.010 --> 00:46:50.090 So we'd have reference of Khonshu's head. 00:46:50.180 --> 00:46:53.060 We'd have great reference of Khonshu's performance, 00:46:53.140 --> 00:46:54.930 'cause we could see how he was moving around 00:46:55.020 --> 00:46:56.980 and we'd have a costume for reference. 00:46:57.060 --> 00:47:00.230 So then we would recreate that as a digital character 00:47:00.310 --> 00:47:02.360 and you get clean plates and all kind of stuff. 00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.570 But it was really helpful to have that. 00:47:06.150 --> 00:47:08.570 Give it back, you fool. 00:47:10.910 --> 00:47:14.950 Being Egyptian and being somebody who's very interested in ancient Egypt, 00:47:15.080 --> 00:47:18.790 I find that Marvel is taking a bit of creative license with Khonshu. 00:47:18.870 --> 00:47:23.040 But they're also staying true to, I think, the spirit of the mythology. 00:47:23.420 --> 00:47:27.380 You know, khonshu means "traveler" in ancient Egyptian, 00:47:27.460 --> 00:47:30.180 and he's the protector of the travelers of the night. 00:47:30.260 --> 00:47:34.600 He's the moon God, and he's there to keep the balance in the universe. 00:47:34.720 --> 00:47:38.310 Do you swear to protect the travelers of the night 00:47:39.230 --> 00:47:43.690 and bring my vengeance to those who would do them harm? 00:47:44.190 --> 00:47:46.440 There's that literal side of Khonshu, 00:47:46.820 --> 00:47:49.400 and then there is the metaphor 00:47:49.530 --> 00:47:54.320 which is the embodiment of Marc's rage. 00:47:54.410 --> 00:47:55.490 Kill him! 00:47:56.370 --> 00:48:00.000 His rage at what has happened to him as a child... 00:48:00.160 --> 00:48:01.290 Break his windpipe! 00:48:01.540 --> 00:48:03.250 ...and his rage at himself 00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:05.750 that feels that he deserves it in some way. 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.840 And that he has to be a slave to, that he has no choice. 00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:10.380 You know, almost like an addiction. 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.680 You think you own this body? 00:48:17.930 --> 00:48:20.560 It belongs to me. 00:48:20.810 --> 00:48:22.020 The other thing is like, 00:48:22.100 --> 00:48:24.230 is Khonshu just another voice in his head? 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.110 And these are questions that aren't answered readily. 00:48:33.200 --> 00:48:37.030 Every aspect of this show has a duality. 00:48:37.950 --> 00:48:43.330 Every person has a dual self, and the story has a dual nature. 00:48:45.380 --> 00:48:49.050 Khonshu has this Avatar whose job is to avenge wrongdoing. 00:48:49.130 --> 00:48:51.720 And then I am working for a different God 00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:55.300 whose goal is to eliminate all wrongdoing. 00:48:56.640 --> 00:48:59.810 I could make a very compelling case that I'm not playing the villain. 00:48:59.890 --> 00:49:04.730 It's possible to watch this show and think that this human being 00:49:04.900 --> 00:49:08.440 has created these visions of his psychiatrist 00:49:08.520 --> 00:49:10.780 who's trying to "aleve" his pain. 00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:14.400 And he wants his pain because his pain gives him his identity. 00:49:14.860 --> 00:49:19.030 Because a lot of us store our identity in our hurts, right? 00:49:19.330 --> 00:49:21.910 And so he's turned me into a villain. 00:49:23.580 --> 00:49:28.420 And so I've tried to create a character 00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:31.840 that could be seen from either side of the coin. 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.510 I liked the villain. 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:40.680 His "No tree may ascend to the light of heaven if it doesn't descend 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:43.060 "to the darkness of hell". 00:49:44.350 --> 00:49:45.730 I actually believe that. 00:49:49.690 --> 00:49:53.110 This is the mental institution set. 00:49:53.190 --> 00:49:58.870 As the point of view of Marc, we go and reveal a lot of other characters 00:49:58.950 --> 00:50:02.830 and motifs and visuals that we've seen throughout the rest of the episodes 00:50:02.910 --> 00:50:07.040 and reveal in that point of view that his entire reality 00:50:07.120 --> 00:50:10.540 may have been shaped by his experiences here in this asylum. 00:50:10.750 --> 00:50:12.500 Or maybe not. 00:50:12.710 --> 00:50:16.300 I think that's also what was so fun about this, is the puzzle pieces. 00:50:16.380 --> 00:50:17.760 You know, not adding something 00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:19.850 just for the sake of adding something cool, 00:50:19.970 --> 00:50:22.640 but really having it be thematically interesting 00:50:22.720 --> 00:50:24.430 and something that has a payoff. 00:50:24.850 --> 00:50:26.770 -Let me out! 00:50:26.850 --> 00:50:29.230 Let me out! Let me out! Let me out! Please. 00:50:32.110 --> 00:50:34.190 It's such a mind trip, the whole thing. 00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.070 But then, to be able to add these little, like, points 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:41.410 that reorient you back to those original things, 00:50:41.580 --> 00:50:42.990 it's just so much fun. 00:50:43.330 --> 00:50:45.120 - Steven! - Marc! 00:50:53.090 --> 00:50:55.010 How is this possible? 00:50:55.670 --> 00:50:57.590 When we got to that part of the show 00:50:57.720 --> 00:51:00.760 when actually they're outside of each other talking to each other. 00:51:00.890 --> 00:51:04.220 One of the crucial things was my brother came out, 00:51:04.310 --> 00:51:07.430 and he would play the other character 00:51:07.520 --> 00:51:09.520 whenever I had to do one, so that was great. 00:51:09.600 --> 00:51:11.650 He's a great actor, his name's Michael. 00:51:11.730 --> 00:51:13.690 So he was really there for me, 00:51:14.570 --> 00:51:16.610 and so often, sometimes when you watch it, 00:51:16.740 --> 00:51:19.280 I'm acting with my actual little brother, you know. 00:51:19.700 --> 00:51:21.410 So, do we... You go next, or... 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:23.410 Who is that? 00:51:24.910 --> 00:51:26.120 Marc, 00:51:26.200 --> 00:51:29.370 why is there a child in a room filled with people you've killed? 00:51:30.330 --> 00:51:32.830 - Steven, look, don't go near him. - Hey, little man. 00:51:33.630 --> 00:51:34.710 What's your name? Hey! 00:51:34.790 --> 00:51:36.460 Steven, Steven. Wait! Wait! Wait! 00:51:36.550 --> 00:51:39.630 I will say that was some of the hardest stuff I had to do, 00:51:39.720 --> 00:51:42.300 from a technical level, because sometimes 00:51:42.390 --> 00:51:45.600 I'd have to make the choices for both characters beforehand. 00:51:46.100 --> 00:51:48.640 Rehearse it once with me as Steven. 00:51:48.770 --> 00:51:50.440 Then rehearse it then with me as Marc 00:51:50.520 --> 00:51:53.480 imagining how I wanted to react at the time 00:51:53.730 --> 00:51:55.650 and memorize the blocking. 00:51:56.230 --> 00:51:58.650 And then have to do it all to no one. 00:51:59.070 --> 00:52:01.360 Sometimes in a wider shot. 00:52:01.450 --> 00:52:03.200 Know what Layla would be all right with? 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:05.830 - Don't. Just don't say it. - I'm just saying there is 00:52:05.910 --> 00:52:07.490 one hippo and two of us, all right? 00:52:07.580 --> 00:52:09.450 It can't be that hard to steer this ship. 00:52:09.540 --> 00:52:13.580 - And we don't have to actually... - Have to what? Kill the Goddess Taweret? 00:52:13.670 --> 00:52:15.920 Yeah. Just find me some rope or something... 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:17.500 Or we can do what she says, 00:52:17.590 --> 00:52:20.800 and help each other uncover whatever it is that we're hiding, apparently. 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.050 So those were some of the harder days, 00:52:23.130 --> 00:52:25.390 because it was just so technically demanding. 00:52:25.640 --> 00:52:27.810 Right through these doors, for example, 00:52:27.890 --> 00:52:29.930 we go through here, there's gonna be patients, 00:52:30.020 --> 00:52:33.560 and there's Crawley probably about to yell bingo! 00:52:33.690 --> 00:52:34.980 Oh, my God! 00:52:35.610 --> 00:52:36.610 Oh, my God! 00:52:37.110 --> 00:52:39.360 This is Taweret's boat. 00:52:39.900 --> 00:52:41.650 We've been filming here all this week. 00:52:41.780 --> 00:52:46.950 Taweret is guiding them through the Duat which is the ancient Egyptian Underworld. 00:52:47.660 --> 00:52:51.040 Now I don't know what you two guys have been hiding, but my advice, 00:52:51.200 --> 00:52:53.830 get in there and show each other the truth. 00:52:54.080 --> 00:52:57.250 Balance your Scales before we arrive at the Field of Reeds. 00:52:57.460 --> 00:53:00.210 I think that's what's so interesting about Moon Knight, 00:53:00.510 --> 00:53:05.300 is that at the center of it, you've got this really complex character 00:53:05.550 --> 00:53:08.310 navigating this emotional journey. 00:53:08.600 --> 00:53:11.390 What are you doing here? Hmm? 00:53:13.850 --> 00:53:14.850 Come on, buddy. 00:53:15.100 --> 00:53:16.980 You were supposed to keep him safe! 00:53:17.060 --> 00:53:18.060 Steven, let's go. 00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.610 There's a feeling of a brotherly relationship between the two of them, 00:53:22.690 --> 00:53:25.450 despite the fact that they are technically the same person. 00:53:25.530 --> 00:53:27.660 And there's something almost paternal even. 00:53:27.740 --> 00:53:33.000 But ultimately this story becomes about unifying those two sides to himself. 00:53:34.660 --> 00:53:36.580 Why do you have to make me do this? 00:53:36.670 --> 00:53:38.670 I wanna see what she did. 00:53:38.750 --> 00:53:39.790 You disgusting human. 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:42.090 You do not need to see that. You're not meant to. 00:53:42.170 --> 00:53:43.470 That's the whole point of you. 00:53:43.550 --> 00:53:48.050 I think it was just about being honest to what the ideas and honest to... 00:53:49.100 --> 00:53:51.560 You know, what a lot of people have to deal with, 00:53:51.640 --> 00:53:53.730 which is really intense childhood trauma. 00:53:53.810 --> 00:53:56.850 And, you know, how that manifests as an adult. 00:53:57.270 --> 00:53:59.690 Of course, there's the allegory of the Moon Knight 00:53:59.770 --> 00:54:01.230 and the Gods and the powers. 00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:05.110 But really, and it's a line that we found in five. 00:54:05.200 --> 00:54:07.780 It's this thing that you think is an ailment. 00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:11.990 My other personality that I can't control and, you know, how horrible, 00:54:12.410 --> 00:54:15.960 he ends up realizing that that's actually his superpower. 00:54:16.460 --> 00:54:19.420 All those horrible things that she said to you, 00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:22.000 - she was wrong. It wasn't your fault. 00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:26.420 I shouldn't have brought him in the cave. 00:54:26.510 --> 00:54:27.510 Hey. 00:54:28.930 --> 00:54:31.600 Hey. You were just a child. 00:54:34.060 --> 00:54:35.480 It wasn't your fault. 00:54:45.240 --> 00:54:50.280 At the end, Marc and Steven learn how to live together as one person, 00:54:50.370 --> 00:54:54.330 which turns out to be in the final fight their advantage. 00:54:54.490 --> 00:54:58.080 If you were to take Mr. Knight and Moon Knight and combine them, 00:54:58.370 --> 00:55:01.540 you'd have the ideal superhero, right? 00:55:01.630 --> 00:55:03.840 The ideal superhero with humanity. 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:07.340 They sort of complete each other, and that's the whole point. 00:55:09.510 --> 00:55:13.560 It is a direct interpretation of a healthy relationship 00:55:13.640 --> 00:55:15.350 in DID with their alters. 00:55:15.470 --> 00:55:17.430 You know, once they start working together, 00:55:17.520 --> 00:55:21.480 and how interesting would it be to see a fight scene 00:55:21.650 --> 00:55:24.900 where the two of them are morphing throughout the whole thing 00:55:25.150 --> 00:55:27.070 and actually complementing each other. 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:31.490 And also speaks to the description of why Moon Knight 00:55:31.610 --> 00:55:35.030 is such a worthy adversary. It's because he's totally unpredictable. 00:55:39.370 --> 00:55:42.540 I think throughout the course of history, 00:55:42.710 --> 00:55:44.380 the people who are truly benevolent 00:55:44.460 --> 00:55:47.010 have forgiveness as a part of their teaching, 00:55:47.090 --> 00:55:50.050 that you still believe that people can change 00:55:50.180 --> 00:55:51.680 and they can grow and get better. 00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.470 And I think what tips Harrow into the fanatic point 00:55:54.890 --> 00:55:57.470 is he really does not believe that. 00:55:57.560 --> 00:56:01.440 You know, would you wait to weed the garden until after the roses are dead? 00:56:01.520 --> 00:56:03.480 A weed is a weed is a weed, you know. 00:56:03.560 --> 00:56:06.400 It's gonna kill what's good, and let's just nip it in the bud. 00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:09.360 Even children? And you're like, yes, even children. 00:56:09.490 --> 00:56:14.410 And that's where you get into a fanaticism that most of us can't go that distance. 00:56:15.740 --> 00:56:19.870 At the end, it's about free choice. Two ideologies fighting together. 00:56:20.210 --> 00:56:23.080 One is trying to cleanse the world from evil. 00:56:23.290 --> 00:56:26.920 And the other one, "No, let's cleanse whoever did something wrong." 00:56:28.340 --> 00:56:31.010 It's about giving humanity a chance to make its own mistakes 00:56:31.130 --> 00:56:32.720 and learning from its own mistakes. 00:56:33.470 --> 00:56:35.640 Had Ammit been allowed to rule, 00:56:36.050 --> 00:56:38.640 young Randall's life would've been saved, 00:56:39.020 --> 00:56:41.060 your family would have been happy. 00:56:41.640 --> 00:56:45.060 She need only remove one weed from the garden. 00:56:46.270 --> 00:56:47.270 You. 00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:50.740 We must rebind Ammit. 00:56:50.860 --> 00:56:51.860 How? 00:56:51.950 --> 00:56:54.410 Only an Avatar can do it. 00:56:56.070 --> 00:56:58.700 Mohamed and Antonia came to 00:56:58.870 --> 00:57:01.500 the makeup trailer 30 minutes before we were going to film. 00:57:01.700 --> 00:57:05.080 And Mohamed was like, "Well, you see, in the Chamber of Gods, 00:57:05.210 --> 00:57:10.670 "most of them, like embody the God. So can you just copy Antonia, 00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:14.510 "and memorize her lines and then embody Taweret?" 00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:16.640 And I was like, "Okay." 00:57:22.680 --> 00:57:24.140 You've changed your mind. 00:57:26.690 --> 00:57:30.360 It was so much fun working on the physicality with May 00:57:30.530 --> 00:57:32.820 as we were both playing the scene out, 00:57:32.900 --> 00:57:37.120 and she was copying my movements that I do when I'm Taweret and my intonations. 00:57:37.370 --> 00:57:38.910 Say it, Antonia. 00:57:38.990 --> 00:57:41.700 - Don't be scared. - "Don't be scared." 00:57:41.790 --> 00:57:44.580 I'm not sure it was always going to be us two together, 00:57:44.660 --> 00:57:46.500 but there's something so great about 00:57:47.170 --> 00:57:51.920 the vibrancy and silliness of Taweret being paired with Layla. 00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:55.500 with the Scarlet Scarab, 00:57:55.680 --> 00:57:59.680 but seeing May and developing her as an Egyptian character, 00:57:59.770 --> 00:58:04.060 step by step, the idea came up. Let's make her into a superhero. 00:58:06.690 --> 00:58:08.900 We zeroed in on an Egyptian superhero 00:58:09.030 --> 00:58:11.400 in the Marvel universe named the Scarlet Scarab. 00:58:11.490 --> 00:58:15.950 Traditionally, it's a male character who goes and reappropriates 00:58:16.120 --> 00:58:18.450 Egyptian artifacts from people who have stolen 00:58:18.540 --> 00:58:21.450 or gotten them by ill means and returns them to the rightful owners. 00:58:21.630 --> 00:58:24.010 We thought, "Man, the way our narrative is teeing up, 00:58:24.090 --> 00:58:26.930 "that lines up with exactly what we needed for our show." 00:58:35.810 --> 00:58:37.980 Right now, Marvel is the world to a lot of people. 00:58:38.060 --> 00:58:42.860 Kids, teens. To be part of that world, it means that you exist. 00:58:43.150 --> 00:58:45.200 - Mmm. - Representation really. 00:58:45.450 --> 00:58:49.370 I know this word now has been thrown right and left. 00:58:49.450 --> 00:58:54.120 But having someone like this on screen, defending good, 00:58:54.370 --> 00:58:56.750 that's the kind of story that brings people together. 00:58:56.830 --> 00:58:59.710 Would you say this fulfills a childhood wish for you? 00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:00.840 Absolutely. 00:59:06.260 --> 00:59:09.390 I feel like, and I'm going to speak from my experience, 00:59:09.470 --> 00:59:13.600 like, when I've seen Arabs on film, like, it's given me so much permission 00:59:13.770 --> 00:59:18.730 and faith that I also have a space and a place to do that. 00:59:18.810 --> 00:59:22.820 And I want women there to want to express themselves through art 00:59:22.900 --> 00:59:25.650 and to share their story and to, like, get out there more. 00:59:25.740 --> 00:59:29.660 If I can share that or help one person feel that way, 00:59:29.740 --> 00:59:31.620 then I feel like my job is done. 00:59:51.050 --> 00:59:52.680 Here we are in Jordan. 00:59:54.220 --> 00:59:58.140 Well, we started in April, about six months ago in Budapest. 00:59:58.350 --> 00:59:59.690 And now, it's my last day 00:59:59.770 --> 01:00:01.900 and the whole crew's going to be finishing up 01:00:02.020 --> 01:00:04.320 throughout this week on Moon Knight. 01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.400 And this is about the perfect place to end it, 01:00:07.490 --> 01:00:11.030 right where I first fell in love with movies, watching Lawrence of Arabia, 01:00:11.110 --> 01:00:13.870 I get to shoot scenes on the same backlot. 01:00:14.080 --> 01:00:15.080 The planet Earth. 01:00:15.660 --> 01:00:17.700 Jordan was at the very end of the shoot. 01:00:17.790 --> 01:00:20.500 If anyone would have told me in a span of four years, 01:00:20.620 --> 01:00:23.250 I'd be going to do three different projects 01:00:23.340 --> 01:00:26.130 in the Wadi Rum desert, I would never have believed them. 01:00:26.210 --> 01:00:28.720 But Star Wars, Dune and now Moon Knight, 01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:30.970 all shot in the same desert. 01:00:31.220 --> 01:00:34.680 Wadi Rum, the real desert. 01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.220 It felt like a big summer vacation for everybody. 01:00:37.310 --> 01:00:39.100 You know, we were out in the sun, 01:00:39.520 --> 01:00:43.110 you know, right by the the Red Sea and going up to Petra. 01:00:43.270 --> 01:00:45.400 It was an amazing way to end the whole thing. 01:00:47.110 --> 01:00:48.650 Whoo-hoo! 01:00:48.740 --> 01:00:50.280 It's over! 01:00:53.120 --> 01:00:55.450 We're in a fascinating moment of storytelling, 01:00:55.530 --> 01:00:58.870 which is the form of movies is changing. 01:01:00.250 --> 01:01:04.670 This is not a TV show, it's a movie on a larger canvas, 01:01:04.750 --> 01:01:07.300 and we're trying to aspire to approach it 01:01:07.380 --> 01:01:10.970 with that level of cinema and that level of quality. 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.970 It's hard to paint such a big canvas, you know. I mean, 01:01:15.100 --> 01:01:17.470 it's damn hard to make one good movie. 01:01:17.680 --> 01:01:20.520 To try to make three in a row, you know, 01:01:20.680 --> 01:01:24.440 is asking a lot of the craftsmen and everybody involved. 01:01:24.730 --> 01:01:26.270 So the lift is big. 01:01:26.520 --> 01:01:28.980 Ethan, I remember, said to us very early on. 01:01:29.110 --> 01:01:31.740 He says, "We're having a great time now. 01:01:32.030 --> 01:01:35.820 "But remember, someday you're going to be on day 80 and you can't blink. 01:01:36.120 --> 01:01:38.080 "It has to be as good as day one, 01:01:38.290 --> 01:01:41.200 "because nobody's going to ever say. 'That wasn't so good. 01:01:41.330 --> 01:01:43.080 "'But they were on day 80. Poor them.' 01:01:43.170 --> 01:01:44.790 "It has to stay. 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:46.670 "You have to keep that dream alive." 01:01:46.790 --> 01:01:50.380 It's such a challenge, and I salute everyone who's doing TV. 01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:53.970 Especially on this kind of caliber, making it feel cinematic. 01:01:54.090 --> 01:01:56.350 Six hours of film. 01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:00.930 Oh, my God, guys, it was such a taxing experience, 01:02:01.020 --> 01:02:03.020 but very rewarding. 01:02:03.190 --> 01:02:05.770 And I have to tell you, one of the coolest things 01:02:05.850 --> 01:02:07.440 to get to witness on this job 01:02:07.520 --> 01:02:10.030 was seeing something at this scale. 01:02:10.150 --> 01:02:14.700 And the alchemy it takes for something of this scale to become personal. 01:02:14.820 --> 01:02:16.240 It feels like a personal story. 01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:19.080 It feels like your prior movies, and it feels like you and Sarah. 01:02:19.160 --> 01:02:21.290 And I can feel the humanity in it. 01:02:21.370 --> 01:02:25.580 And to have the structure of the creative collaboration that we had, 01:02:25.670 --> 01:02:28.670 that we had all those days together in a room spitballing. 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:32.920 I think in doing that we were able to create something pretty bold, 01:02:33.090 --> 01:02:34.760 and I think that's the aspect of it 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.970 that I'm really excited about audiences seeing. 01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:53.490 I would never have guessed, and I don't mean this derogatorily, 01:02:53.570 --> 01:02:56.910 that this would be one of my most creatively fulfilling adventures. 01:02:57.030 --> 01:02:58.570 Because it was just like, 01:02:58.660 --> 01:03:00.910 everybody was throwing everything out on the table 01:03:01.030 --> 01:03:03.950 and taking big swings on a major stage. 01:03:04.870 --> 01:03:10.210 And that we had the faith and not only the space to do it, 01:03:10.290 --> 01:03:12.800 but the support to do it was just amazing. 01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:18.970 There are new challenges and new rewards 01:03:19.050 --> 01:03:21.680 that come with making longer form stories. 01:03:22.010 --> 01:03:24.350 We're keeping the endings more open now, I think. 01:03:24.430 --> 01:03:26.440 We don't have to tie up every loose end. 01:03:26.850 --> 01:03:29.230 And when you create characters 01:03:29.310 --> 01:03:31.900 as strong as Moon Knight and Scarlet Scarab, 01:03:32.610 --> 01:03:34.530 we can confidently go into the future 01:03:34.610 --> 01:03:36.990 knowing that there's more stories left to tell 01:03:37.070 --> 01:03:39.870 and new characters that we can bring in to tell them.