WEBVTT 00:00:04.295 --> 00:00:05.672 You ready to go? 00:00:05.714 --> 00:00:07.841 Sure. 00:00:09.217 --> 00:00:11.761 Let me run through my head just a second the-- 00:00:11.803 --> 00:00:13.013 Take your time. 00:00:13.054 --> 00:00:14.389 I can't believe 00:00:14.431 --> 00:00:15.765 I'm talking about this. 00:00:26.067 --> 00:00:27.527 When did I talk about Los Angeles? 00:00:27.569 --> 00:00:29.529 Who the hell asked me about Los Angeles? 00:00:29.571 --> 00:00:32.866 I always felt great compassion at the loss of life. 00:00:33.783 --> 00:00:35.201 I'm just a very soft-- 00:00:35.243 --> 00:00:36.077 I don't know. 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:36.870 It's just the way I am. 00:00:47.380 --> 00:00:49.716 I * killed those broads. 00:00:49.758 --> 00:00:51.009 I knew what I had done. 00:00:51.051 --> 00:00:52.260 And I hadn't killed any girls. 00:00:52.302 --> 00:00:53.470 I Strangled them. 00:00:53.511 --> 00:00:54.429 Why? 00:00:54.471 --> 00:00:55.680 * plain as that. 00:00:55.722 --> 00:00:56.890 I'm the kind of person that I like to have 00:00:56.931 --> 00:01:00.226 a reason for doing something. 00:01:00.268 --> 00:01:01.978 How do you feel about being discovered 00:01:02.020 --> 00:01:03.605 after all this time? 00:01:03.646 --> 00:01:06.232 The more I think about it, the more I get pissed off. 00:01:14.783 --> 00:01:17.577 It's a silly, strange thing to say because I used to lie. 00:01:17.619 --> 00:01:20.747 You know, I don't anymore, but I used to lie. 00:01:20.789 --> 00:01:23.500 When did you stop lying, by the way? 00:01:23.541 --> 00:01:25.251 Probably about the time that I 00:01:25.293 --> 00:01:29.214 realized that my life wasn't a cherry pie 00:01:29.255 --> 00:01:30.632 with ice cream on top. 00:02:08.837 --> 00:02:10.630 I grew up in Eagle Rock, California, 00:02:10.672 --> 00:02:13.133 on the East side of Los Angeles. 00:02:13.174 --> 00:02:15.635 We were up against the mountains. 00:02:15.677 --> 00:02:18.179 At that time, in the 70s around there, 00:02:18.221 --> 00:02:20.223 it was just mostly homes. 00:02:20.265 --> 00:02:22.392 Beautiful homes. 00:02:22.434 --> 00:02:24.227 Everybody knew everybody. 00:02:24.269 --> 00:02:25.979 It was just a nice little town. 00:02:26.021 --> 00:02:28.898 Just everything was so peaceful and quiet. 00:02:28.940 --> 00:02:33.528 You never had any problems in Eagle Rock. 00:02:33.570 --> 00:02:37.449 1976 is the year I graduated from school. 00:02:37.490 --> 00:02:38.783 I just hung out with my friends. 00:02:38.825 --> 00:02:41.244 We'd go cruising on Van Nuys Boulevard. 00:02:41.286 --> 00:02:43.413 We'd go out to eat. 00:02:43.455 --> 00:02:45.540 This one night, my friend and I 00:02:45.582 --> 00:02:47.375 were just doing our usual thing, 00:02:47.417 --> 00:02:50.170 driving around in her blue Pinto. 00:02:50.211 --> 00:02:54.466 And this Impala pulls up next to us with four guys in it. 00:02:54.507 --> 00:02:56.718 They looked over, and they started talking. 00:02:56.760 --> 00:03:00.930 They go, hey, you guys want to you get something to drink? 00:03:00.972 --> 00:03:03.558 Being young, OK. 00:03:03.600 --> 00:03:06.186 So we went to Tommy's, and we stood 00:03:06.227 --> 00:03:08.396 there and talked to them. 00:03:08.438 --> 00:03:10.523 This gentleman, named Kenneth Bianchi, 00:03:10.565 --> 00:03:13.193 was talking to me most of the time. 00:03:13.234 --> 00:03:14.527 And then he says, well, my cousin's got 00:03:14.569 --> 00:03:16.196 a business over in Glendale. 00:03:16.237 --> 00:03:18.531 Why don't you guys come by sometime? 00:03:18.573 --> 00:03:20.283 And I'm like, uh, OK. 00:03:20.325 --> 00:03:21.618 All right. 00:03:21.660 --> 00:03:23.703 So I think it was the next day, 00:03:23.745 --> 00:03:26.414 or two days later, I think, we cruised by there, 00:03:31.456 --> 00:03:36.378 and Ken was outside, and the rest is history. 00:03:34.172 --> 00:03:37.550 I was 17, and he was 24. 00:03:37.592 --> 00:03:41.304 I knew he was too old for me to have any interest in him. 00:03:41.346 --> 00:03:44.349 But it didn't take much to sweep me off my feet. 00:03:44.391 --> 00:03:47.227 I told my mom he was 22 as if two years is going 00:03:47.268 --> 00:03:49.729 to make a big difference. 00:03:49.771 --> 00:03:52.732 I had only dated one other person before Ken. 00:03:52.774 --> 00:03:55.694 So then, when I met Ken, I thought, 00:03:55.735 --> 00:03:57.862 OK, maybe this is the one. 00:03:57.904 --> 00:04:01.574 You know, maybe this is going to be the person for me. 00:04:01.616 --> 00:04:04.577 He had the personality, the charm. 00:04:04.619 --> 00:04:06.955 He had everything, and he was sweet. 00:04:06.997 --> 00:04:08.206 He was kind to me. 00:04:08.248 --> 00:04:10.750 You know, there was nothing missing. 00:04:10.792 --> 00:04:16.756 He was just nice, and for me, that was enough. 00:04:16.798 --> 00:04:19.551 Back then, it was perfectly safe to hang out there 00:04:19.592 --> 00:04:21.261 in Eagle Rock at the mall. 00:04:21.302 --> 00:04:22.637 We could play outside all night 00:04:22.679 --> 00:04:25.473 long and not worry about anything. 00:04:25.515 --> 00:04:28.309 And then, all of a sudden, everything changed. 00:04:29.477 --> 00:04:31.521 In Los Angeles, another young woman 00:04:31.563 --> 00:04:33.023 strangled in the Hills. 00:04:33.064 --> 00:04:35.442 Over the weekend, two more young women 00:04:35.483 --> 00:04:36.943 were killed the same way. 00:04:36.985 --> 00:04:38.987 You get some indication that some of them 00:04:39.029 --> 00:04:42.824 may possibly have been involved in prostitution. 00:04:42.866 --> 00:04:45.201 These have been attributed to a killer called 00:04:45.243 --> 00:04:47.203 The Hillside Strangler. 00:04:47.245 --> 00:04:49.080 You would hear about murders. 00:04:49.122 --> 00:04:53.126 You would hear about the cases that made the news, 00:04:53.168 --> 00:04:54.961 and it was shocking. 00:04:55.003 --> 00:04:56.921 The pressure on the police task force 00:04:56.963 --> 00:04:57.922 continues to mount. 00:04:57.964 --> 00:04:59.299 And the fear in the neighborhoods 00:04:59.341 --> 00:05:00.800 continues to increase. 00:05:00.842 --> 00:05:03.762 And that's when all the families didn't 00:05:03.803 --> 00:05:06.348 want their daughters outside, their kids outside, didn't 00:05:06.389 --> 00:05:08.183 want them walking alone. 00:05:08.224 --> 00:05:09.851 Everybody was scared. 00:05:09.893 --> 00:05:11.644 Are we supposed to be paranoid 00:05:11.686 --> 00:05:13.104 until this guy is caught? 00:05:13.146 --> 00:05:14.314 Not go out with our friends? 00:05:14.356 --> 00:05:16.649 Be afraid of our friends? 00:05:16.691 --> 00:05:18.068 This is where the first Hillside 00:05:18.109 --> 00:05:19.652 Strangler victim was found. 00:05:19.694 --> 00:05:21.738 The death touched off one of the largest manhunts 00:05:21.780 --> 00:05:23.365 in Southern California history, 00:05:23.406 --> 00:05:25.825 but it's one that's apparently not over. 00:05:25.867 --> 00:05:28.662 I felt that being with Ken, I was safe. 00:05:28.703 --> 00:05:30.914 I didn't have to worry. 00:05:30.955 --> 00:05:34.000 You really don't know somebody until you 00:05:34.042 --> 00:05:37.671 see their true colors, and I never saw the true colors 00:05:37.712 --> 00:05:40.382 until it was too late. 00:05:49.557 --> 00:05:52.769 I came to Hollywood, Westwood, Beverly Hills 00:05:52.811 --> 00:05:57.148 when I was enrolling in a UCLA PhD program. 00:06:00.902 --> 00:06:04.948 Los Angeles in the 1970s was a disco. 00:06:04.990 --> 00:06:07.534 Totally disco. 00:06:07.575 --> 00:06:08.410 Nightclubs. 00:06:08.451 --> 00:06:09.577 Lots of nightclubs. 00:06:09.619 --> 00:06:11.037 All different levels of nightclubs. 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:16.209 Short skirts, glitter, John Travolta characters, 00:06:16.251 --> 00:06:17.544 the streets were really busy. 00:06:17.585 --> 00:06:20.046 The Sunset Boulevard was very, very lit up. 00:06:20.088 --> 00:06:23.508 Lots of drugs, lots of cocaine, lots of quaaludes, 00:06:23.550 --> 00:06:27.387 lots of parties, and easy to brush shoulders 00:06:27.429 --> 00:06:29.556 with celebrities. 00:06:30.890 --> 00:06:32.559 But I was a young feminist, and I was very 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:33.768 aggressive and outspoken. 00:06:33.773 --> 00:06:35.900 I worked in the criminal courts building. 00:06:35.942 --> 00:06:38.069 And I found most of the people arrested, 00:06:38.810 --> 00:06:40.854 And I was challenging the enforcement 00:06:40.895 --> 00:06:43.732 of the prostitution laws in Beverly Hills. 00:06:43.111 --> 00:06:46.906 90% were prostitutes, and only 10% were customers. 00:06:46.948 --> 00:06:48.908 And the lawsuit was filed on behalf 00:06:48.950 --> 00:06:52.078 of the prostitutes versus the City of Los Angeles. 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:53.455 LAPD, particularly. 00:06:53.496 --> 00:06:55.290 And so, I was the expert witness 00:06:55.332 --> 00:06:58.752 for their defense of how the law was not equally enforced. 00:06:58.793 --> 00:07:00.462 I sat next to these young girls 00:07:00.503 --> 00:07:01.963 and started talking to them. 00:07:02.005 --> 00:07:04.758 Then, they asked me to help them with certain things. 00:07:04.799 --> 00:07:06.468 And so I went out on the streets, 00:07:06.509 --> 00:07:08.386 and I met Yolanda Washington. 00:07:08.428 --> 00:07:12.140 Yolanda Washington was a very beautiful, refined, young 00:07:12.182 --> 00:07:16.770 Black woman, and she was working in order 00:07:16.811 --> 00:07:18.229 to support her daughter. 00:07:18.271 --> 00:07:21.107 And she had pride, and she had self-esteem, 00:07:21.149 --> 00:07:23.109 and she carried herself very well. 00:07:23.151 --> 00:07:24.778 And then I had occasion to meet her 00:07:24.819 --> 00:07:29.407 a second time when she was in jail in Beverly Hills. 00:07:29.449 --> 00:07:32.786 I went to the courthouse, and I said, I can help you. 00:07:32.827 --> 00:07:34.120 Call me when you get out. 00:07:34.162 --> 00:07:36.331 And she promised. 00:07:36.373 --> 00:07:39.000 The next time I heard about Yolanda Washington, 00:07:39.042 --> 00:07:39.584 she was dead. 00:07:47.133 --> 00:07:49.386 The whole world of prostitution 00:07:49.427 --> 00:07:54.307 is sad and made up of exploitation, and loss, 00:07:54.349 --> 00:07:56.351 and regret. 00:07:56.393 --> 00:08:00.021 When I met these girls, their lives were awful. 00:08:00.063 --> 00:08:03.817 They lived in a very dangerous world with very mean people. 00:08:03.858 --> 00:08:05.694 There were many stories of being raped, and beaten 00:08:05.735 --> 00:08:08.655 up, and chained, and locked in closets, 00:08:08.697 --> 00:08:09.948 and things like that. 00:08:09.990 --> 00:08:13.994 Murder was just a tiptoe away from that. 00:08:14.035 --> 00:08:16.246 Yolanda was the first girl that I personally 00:08:16.287 --> 00:08:17.664 knew who had been murdered. 00:08:17.706 --> 00:08:19.666 I'd heard other stories, but she was the first one 00:08:19.708 --> 00:08:20.959 that I had had contact with. 00:08:21.001 --> 00:08:25.964 So I wasn't that shocked, really. 00:08:26.006 --> 00:08:28.842 I assumed that her pimp killed her, just like everyone else. 00:08:28.883 --> 00:08:31.261 There was no reason to think it was anything else. 00:08:31.302 --> 00:08:34.431 We didn't think there was anything else going on. 00:08:34.472 --> 00:08:36.850 KFWB's Jim Mitchell will report on the discovery 00:08:36.891 --> 00:08:38.685 of a nude woman's body found in the La 00:08:38.727 --> 00:08:41.771 Crescenta area and the ongoing investigation. 00:08:41.813 --> 00:08:43.273 I was getting ready to go 00:08:43.314 --> 00:08:46.151 to work that morning, and I called into the station, 00:08:46.192 --> 00:08:49.070 when they said, yes, why don't you stop by La Crescenta? 00:08:49.112 --> 00:08:51.781 There's been a body found in the front yard of a home. 00:08:53.199 --> 00:08:56.870 La Crescenta is a hillside community in Los Angeles 00:08:56.911 --> 00:08:59.706 just north of the city of Glendale, 00:08:59.748 --> 00:09:02.125 kind of like Rolling Hills. 00:09:02.167 --> 00:09:04.252 And the home where this body was found 00:09:04.294 --> 00:09:07.297 was along a very quiet dead-end street. 00:09:08.882 --> 00:09:12.093 The body had been placed in the front yard of a house. 00:09:12.135 --> 00:09:15.180 The woman was *, and she was in a very 00:09:15.221 --> 00:09:17.307 *ualized position. 00:09:17.349 --> 00:09:19.184 It wasn't clear where she had died, 00:09:19.225 --> 00:09:20.727 but it was clear that she had been 00:09:20.769 --> 00:09:22.854 dropped there intentionally. 00:09:22.896 --> 00:09:26.232 It was obvious that she had been strangled, bound 00:09:26.237 --> 00:09:28.365 It was as if somebody were living 00:09:28.234 --> 00:09:31.196 It was such a staged circumstance. 00:09:31.274 --> 00:09:33.193 by her wrists and ankles. 00:09:33.406 --> 00:09:36.868 out a fantasy of some kind. 00:09:36.910 --> 00:09:39.496 Frank Salerno was a detective with the Los Angeles 00:09:39.537 --> 00:09:41.039 County Sheriff's Office. 00:09:41.081 --> 00:09:43.625 He arrived shortly after I did. 00:09:43.667 --> 00:09:45.085 I asked him if he had ever seen 00:09:45.126 --> 00:09:47.420 anything like this before, and he said no, he hadn't. 00:09:48.713 --> 00:09:50.674 So it wasn't until the Sheriff's Office 00:09:50.715 --> 00:09:54.302 came up with a name that I was able to start investigating 00:09:54.344 --> 00:09:56.096 a lot more closely. 00:09:56.137 --> 00:09:58.723 I had learned that her name is Judy Miller, 00:09:58.765 --> 00:10:03.395 and she was 15 years old. 00:10:03.483 --> 00:10:06.361 may have been working as a prostitute from time to time. 00:10:06.356 --> 00:10:08.441 and there was some evidence that she 00:10:08.436 --> 00:10:11.314 She was on the street in Hollywood quite a bit, 00:10:13.655 --> 00:10:18.243 There are so many murders in a city the size of Los Angeles. 00:10:18.284 --> 00:10:22.580 But it was a very, very different kind of murder 00:10:22.622 --> 00:10:26.626 scene, and I presumed at that time 00:10:26.668 --> 00:10:27.669 that there was going to be more. 00:10:29.129 --> 00:10:31.840 That turned out to be true. 00:10:31.881 --> 00:10:33.967 Glendale police have another apparent murder of 00:10:34.009 --> 00:10:35.301 a young woman on their hands. 00:10:35.343 --> 00:10:37.637 KFWB's Cecilia Pedrosa has a direct report 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:39.806 from Chevy Chase drive. 00:10:39.848 --> 00:10:41.891 I always remember that day. 00:10:41.933 --> 00:10:44.477 Because I know it was November 6th because it 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:45.979 was my daughter's birthday. 00:10:46.021 --> 00:10:48.982 The female victim had been murdered 00:10:49.024 --> 00:10:51.776 and dumped in the Chevy Chase Canyon 00:10:51.818 --> 00:10:54.070 area near the country club. 00:10:54.112 --> 00:10:57.032 She had signs of ligature marks 00:10:57.073 --> 00:11:02.162 on her wrists and her ankles, and she was without clothing 00:11:02.203 --> 00:11:05.165 and appeared to have been brutally raped. 00:11:07.083 --> 00:11:10.045 Most of the homicides that I had handled 00:11:10.086 --> 00:11:14.799 were barroom shootings, or robberies that had gone bad, 00:11:14.841 --> 00:11:16.885 or domestic violence. 00:11:16.926 --> 00:11:23.141 So this, to me, was something different. 00:11:23.183 --> 00:11:25.852 We learned that her name was Lisa Kastin-- 00:11:30.231 --> 00:11:33.193 --she was a waitress, and that she was trying 00:11:33.234 --> 00:11:35.862 to break into the Hollywood dance scene 00:11:35.904 --> 00:11:38.615 as a professional dancer. 00:11:38.657 --> 00:11:44.287 That was a young woman trying to make it in Hollywood. 00:11:44.329 --> 00:11:47.499 We talked to some of her coworkers, 00:11:47.540 --> 00:11:52.545 and they informed us that the night that Lisa Kastin had 00:11:52.587 --> 00:11:58.218 disappeared, she had been talking with two customers, 00:11:58.259 --> 00:12:03.723 and they felt that they were acting suspicious. 00:12:03.765 --> 00:12:05.517 At that point, we didn't know that there 00:12:05.558 --> 00:12:10.355 were any other victims or any connection to anything. 00:12:10.397 --> 00:12:14.025 We had no idea where it was going to go. 00:12:14.067 --> 00:12:18.238 We had no idea how big the case was going to be. 00:12:22.951 --> 00:12:26.121 I can't tell you exactly why certain girls 00:12:26.162 --> 00:12:28.206 were treated a certain way. 00:12:28.248 --> 00:12:35.505 I just-- I've always with girls 00:12:35.547 --> 00:12:38.633 treated them as they should be treated. 00:12:38.675 --> 00:12:41.761 I treat all people as-- if people do nasty to me, 00:12:41.803 --> 00:12:45.223 I won't go out of my way, but I'm not going to be a real-- 00:12:45.265 --> 00:12:48.518 a real nice person about it. 00:12:48.560 --> 00:12:49.728 I'm not going to be-- 00:12:49.769 --> 00:12:52.313 go out of my way to be real nice about it. 00:12:52.355 --> 00:12:56.151 That's basically the way-- the way life is. 00:12:56.192 --> 00:12:58.153 That's more or less nobody is perfect. 00:13:08.455 --> 00:13:10.999 Ken went to my high school graduation. 00:13:11.041 --> 00:13:14.085 He was over at my house for Father's Day. 00:13:14.127 --> 00:13:16.546 My dad was in and out of the hospital a lot. 00:13:16.588 --> 00:13:19.466 He would go to the hospital and sit with my dad. 00:13:19.507 --> 00:13:20.800 He would shave him. 00:13:20.842 --> 00:13:25.263 He would-- to feed him-- he would take care of him. 00:13:25.305 --> 00:13:28.350 And I think the only picture that I have of me 00:13:28.391 --> 00:13:32.228 and Ken is on Father's Day in my backyard. 00:13:32.270 --> 00:13:36.316 Because he wanted to be there for Father's Day for my dad, 00:13:36.358 --> 00:13:39.486 his father really wasn't in the picture, 00:13:39.527 --> 00:13:42.489 and so he really never had a father bringing up. 00:13:42.530 --> 00:13:49.371 And I think that's where he cared about my dad so much. 00:13:49.412 --> 00:13:51.665 He was very good to my parents. 00:13:51.706 --> 00:13:53.458 He was very good to them. 00:13:53.500 --> 00:13:57.170 And he would spend time with me going to my cousin's 00:13:57.212 --> 00:13:58.797 house, meeting my family. 00:13:58.838 --> 00:14:01.216 But it was those little things that he would do with me 00:14:01.257 --> 00:14:03.510 that made me feel special. 00:14:10.392 --> 00:14:11.851 So I went in the Sheriff's Department 00:14:11.893 --> 00:14:18.066 in '60, and I went to homicide in '74, I think it was. 00:14:18.108 --> 00:14:21.528 We would get quite a few cases because of the geography 00:14:21.569 --> 00:14:24.531 of the county in the unincorporated area 00:14:24.619 --> 00:14:27.080 and the Angeles forest. 00:14:26.324 --> 00:14:29.577 in the mountains-- the Angeles Crest Highway, 00:14:29.572 --> 00:14:31.282 like the desert-- the high desert up 00:14:32.168 --> 00:14:34.170 in some other city, but we would 00:14:35.250 --> 00:14:37.127 Basically, the murder originated 00:14:37.122 --> 00:14:40.208 We'd get bodies dumped in those areas. 00:14:39.212 --> 00:14:41.423 get the assignment on them. 00:14:41.464 --> 00:14:42.632 Judy Miller. 00:14:42.674 --> 00:14:45.301 Her body was found the morning of Halloween 00:14:45.343 --> 00:14:48.888 in '77 in La Crescenta. 00:14:49.806 --> 00:14:51.433 And then Lisa Kastin. 00:14:51.474 --> 00:14:54.602 Her body was found in the vicinity of the golf course 00:14:54.644 --> 00:14:56.855 on Chevy Chase in Glendale. 00:14:56.896 --> 00:14:59.566 And at the autopsy of Lisa Kastin, 00:14:59.607 --> 00:15:03.695 they put them side by side, and the ligature marks and 00:15:03.737 --> 00:15:05.238 everything were identical. 00:15:05.280 --> 00:15:07.449 So that was when they realized this 00:15:07.490 --> 00:15:10.827 was a connection between, at least, these two cases. 00:15:10.869 --> 00:15:12.412 So they put out a teletype. 00:15:12.454 --> 00:15:14.331 Somebody from LAPD contacted them, 00:15:14.372 --> 00:15:19.419 and they compared ligature marks to Yolanda Washington 00:15:19.461 --> 00:15:21.921 due to the similarity of marks and everything, 00:15:21.963 --> 00:15:24.257 and she gets connected. 00:15:24.299 --> 00:15:26.676 Chronologically, Yolanda Washington 00:15:26.718 --> 00:15:28.595 was the first murder. 00:15:28.636 --> 00:15:30.347 The first victim of The Strangler 00:15:30.388 --> 00:15:33.099 was Yolanda Washington, whose body was found near Forest 00:15:33.141 --> 00:15:34.309 Lawn Memorial Park. 00:15:34.351 --> 00:15:36.269 That was October 18th. 00:15:36.311 --> 00:15:38.855 Los Angeles seemed to attract a lot of people 00:15:38.897 --> 00:15:40.148 who had homicidal tendencies. 00:15:40.190 --> 00:15:42.817 And it became almost 00:15:42.859 --> 00:15:45.904 fashionable to have various and sundry killers 00:15:45.945 --> 00:15:47.364 floating around town. 00:15:47.405 --> 00:15:51.576 And some of them stuck around for quite a bit of time. 00:15:54.829 --> 00:15:56.539 The thing that connected these murders 00:15:56.581 --> 00:15:58.583 and made them, obviously, something done 00:15:58.625 --> 00:16:00.877 by the same person were the striation marks 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:02.879 on the wrists and the ankles. 00:16:02.921 --> 00:16:05.924 All of the victims were nude, all had been strangled. 00:16:05.965 --> 00:16:08.218 All of the bodies had been dumped within a few miles 00:16:08.259 --> 00:16:10.011 of each other. 00:16:10.053 --> 00:16:12.472 It took a while before it was taken 00:16:12.514 --> 00:16:14.432 seriously as a-- or even looked 00:16:14.474 --> 00:16:16.309 at-- as a serial murderer. 00:16:16.351 --> 00:16:18.061 At that point, people thought it 00:16:18.103 --> 00:16:20.563 was just prostitutes or just kids 00:16:20.605 --> 00:16:22.857 hanging out on the street being murdered. 00:16:22.899 --> 00:16:26.152 And people were not that scared because of the fact 00:16:26.194 --> 00:16:27.612 they thought it's just prostitutes, 00:16:27.654 --> 00:16:30.490 and that's what happens when you're a prostitute. 00:16:30.532 --> 00:16:32.367 The first victims were on this Boulevard 00:16:32.409 --> 00:16:34.828 often, just like these young girls today. 00:16:34.869 --> 00:16:38.206 Some were actively involved in the Hollywood street scene. 00:16:38.248 --> 00:16:40.333 Some worked here. 00:16:40.375 --> 00:16:42.836 I think it's unfair to some of the victims 00:16:42.877 --> 00:16:47.507 to get labeled as prostitutes when they're clearly not. 00:16:47.549 --> 00:16:50.635 We had absolutely no reason to believe 00:16:50.677 --> 00:16:55.515 that Lisa Kastin was involved in anything like that. 00:16:55.557 --> 00:16:57.600 Initially, I think, these murders 00:16:57.642 --> 00:17:00.186 were dismissed as something that was 00:17:00.228 --> 00:17:02.772 happening to other people. 00:17:02.814 --> 00:17:07.444 They weren't happening to ordinary Americans. 00:17:07.485 --> 00:17:10.822 There wasn't that much attention being paid. 00:17:10.864 --> 00:17:15.869 The term Hillside Strangler had not yet evolved. 00:17:15.910 --> 00:17:20.332 But suddenly, there was just this dreadable change. 00:17:23.001 --> 00:17:24.544 There were bodies that seemed to be 00:17:24.586 --> 00:17:29.549 coming up out of the hillsides everywhere. 00:17:33.386 --> 00:17:39.559 In November 1977, I got called out to a murder scene. 00:17:39.601 --> 00:17:43.229 Here we have a nude young girl, partially under a bush, 00:17:43.271 --> 00:17:44.856 in a residential area. 00:17:44.898 --> 00:17:47.942 And you had ligature marks on both her neck, 00:17:47.984 --> 00:17:50.987 her ankles, and her wrist. 00:17:51.029 --> 00:17:53.865 And there was no self-defense wounds. 00:17:53.907 --> 00:17:58.495 We eventually identified her as Kristina Weckler. 00:17:58.536 --> 00:18:02.499 She was a student at the School of Design in Pasadena. 00:18:02.540 --> 00:18:04.417 After speaking to some of the girls 00:18:04.459 --> 00:18:06.670 that knew her that went to college with her, 00:18:06.711 --> 00:18:08.463 I got her address. 00:18:08.505 --> 00:18:10.590 I completely went over her apartment-- 00:18:10.632 --> 00:18:13.593 searched it, read her diary-- 00:18:13.635 --> 00:18:15.762 looking for anything that might lead 00:18:15.804 --> 00:18:19.015 to the cause of her death, and really 00:18:19.057 --> 00:18:20.725 come up with nothing at all. 00:18:20.767 --> 00:18:22.769 If you're a homicide detective, 00:18:22.811 --> 00:18:24.896 you will learn about murders that are taking place. 00:18:24.938 --> 00:18:28.274 Because homicide detectives from other jurisdictions 00:18:28.316 --> 00:18:30.568 talk to all homicide detectives. 00:18:30.610 --> 00:18:33.238 Frank Salerno called me up, and he says I 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:35.615 think we got similar murder. 00:18:35.657 --> 00:18:38.118 Matter of fact, I think we have two similar murders 00:18:38.159 --> 00:18:43.832 to you, and I think Glendale PD has another similar case. 00:18:43.873 --> 00:18:47.836 So then, I said, we got a serial murderer. 00:18:47.877 --> 00:18:49.337 This is not a coincidence. 00:18:54.300 --> 00:18:56.511 It's the-- a question of trying to find 00:18:56.553 --> 00:18:58.054 out what really happened. 00:18:58.096 --> 00:19:04.019 And to help determine what the state of affairs 00:19:04.060 --> 00:19:05.270 is, as it were. 00:19:05.311 --> 00:19:07.897 And I hope you'll help me with that. 00:19:07.939 --> 00:19:09.232 Sure. 00:19:09.274 --> 00:19:12.444 I was just getting little bits and pieces. 00:19:12.485 --> 00:19:15.196 And call it curiosity. 00:19:15.238 --> 00:19:19.617 Call it a desperate need to know the unknown, even 00:19:19.659 --> 00:19:22.120 though it's a scary thing. 00:19:22.162 --> 00:19:24.998 I saw things happening, and I realized 00:19:25.040 --> 00:19:26.499 things were happening inside of me, 00:19:26.541 --> 00:19:29.127 and I wanted to know more. 00:19:29.169 --> 00:19:31.629 So this opened up, and opened up, and opened up. 00:19:31.671 --> 00:19:34.007 It was just dribble at first, and then all of the sudden, 00:19:34.049 --> 00:19:35.300 a complete flood. 00:19:41.222 --> 00:19:43.308 Ken had come out here from New York 00:19:43.350 --> 00:19:47.187 and was living with his cousin until he got a good job 00:19:47.228 --> 00:19:50.482 and could get out on his own. 00:19:50.523 --> 00:19:53.318 He liked it out here in California more. 00:19:53.360 --> 00:19:55.862 And he goes, I like all the hills around here. 00:19:55.904 --> 00:19:57.989 It's very green. 00:19:58.031 --> 00:20:01.493 And he goes, I really like this place. 00:20:01.534 --> 00:20:06.164 I had driven Ken out to Forest Lawn for a job interview. 00:20:06.206 --> 00:20:08.833 And he went in, and he came back out, 00:20:08.875 --> 00:20:12.003 and he goes, eh, that went OK. 00:20:12.045 --> 00:20:16.966 We left, and that next week there was a body 00:20:17.008 --> 00:20:20.136 placed out by Forest Lawn. 00:20:20.178 --> 00:20:21.638 And all the sudden, we're hearing 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:25.934 about bodies being placed on mountainsides around us. 00:20:28.269 --> 00:20:33.233 November 1977, Thanksgiving week, there were four bodies 00:20:33.274 --> 00:20:35.777 found in the same week. 00:20:35.819 --> 00:20:37.237 The young woman's nude body 00:20:37.278 --> 00:20:40.031 was found in the bushes alongside the Los 00:20:40.073 --> 00:20:42.534 Feliz off-ramp on the southbound Golden 00:20:42.575 --> 00:20:44.244 State freeway. 00:20:44.285 --> 00:20:46.621 Jane King was 28 years old. 00:20:46.663 --> 00:20:51.710 She was an actress and was apparently waiting for a bus 00:20:51.751 --> 00:20:53.211 when she disappeared. 00:20:53.253 --> 00:20:55.255 I think she just happened to be 00:20:55.296 --> 00:20:58.383 some place at the wrong time. 00:20:58.425 --> 00:21:01.219 Dolly Cepeda and Sonya Johnson 00:21:01.261 --> 00:21:02.721 were two close friends. 00:21:02.762 --> 00:21:06.933 12 and 14 years of age had gotten on a bus 00:21:06.975 --> 00:21:08.977 and were on their way back home. 00:21:09.019 --> 00:21:11.062 When they got off the bus, they 00:21:11.104 --> 00:21:12.605 were apparently intercepted. 00:21:12.647 --> 00:21:16.234 The girls were last seen here, the Eagle Rock Plaza. 00:21:16.276 --> 00:21:18.695 That was last Sunday. 00:21:18.737 --> 00:21:23.742 It was the deaths of these two young girls that really 00:21:23.783 --> 00:21:25.243 focused people's attention. 00:21:25.285 --> 00:21:28.788 I think because of their ages just 00:21:28.830 --> 00:21:33.001 changed the whole complexion of the circumstances. 00:21:35.420 --> 00:21:38.715 The fact that there was little kids made people 00:21:38.757 --> 00:21:41.259 afraid for themselves-- 00:21:41.301 --> 00:21:44.387 that it was no longer just about prostitutes. 00:21:44.429 --> 00:21:47.599 They range in age from 12 years to 28, 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:50.226 most of them found within a seven-mile radius 00:21:50.268 --> 00:21:53.396 of Griffith Park and the Golden State freeway. 00:21:53.438 --> 00:21:55.190 The media focus was suddenly 00:21:55.231 --> 00:21:59.444 riveted on this case. 00:21:59.486 --> 00:22:03.740 They started referring to it as the Hillside Strangler. 00:22:03.782 --> 00:22:06.868 That's when the papers were kind of crazy. 00:22:06.910 --> 00:22:09.788 Every day, "The Los Angeles Times" and "The Herald 00:22:09.829 --> 00:22:13.291 Examiner" had a headline about The Hillside Strangler, 00:22:13.333 --> 00:22:16.419 and it scared the hell out of people in this town. 00:22:16.461 --> 00:22:20.423 They created havoc in the city of Los Angeles. 00:22:20.465 --> 00:22:22.634 In Los Angeles, more women than ever before 00:22:22.676 --> 00:22:25.387 are learning how to defend themselves. 00:22:25.428 --> 00:22:27.263 There were women running around buying guns, 00:22:27.305 --> 00:22:31.601 taking classes in judo, and all kinds of self-defense. 00:22:31.643 --> 00:22:33.645 It is believed this kind of training 00:22:33.687 --> 00:22:36.231 could give a woman a chance against attacks 00:22:36.272 --> 00:22:39.025 such as those by the so-called Hillside Strangler. 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:43.238 I received a lot of calls from a lot of women 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:44.990 my age and friends that I knew that were 00:22:45.031 --> 00:22:46.157 sure they had dated him. 00:22:46.199 --> 00:22:47.993 Or that they thought 00:22:48.034 --> 00:22:51.246 this guy was a little weird. 00:22:51.287 --> 00:22:55.333 Everybody was really on edge and worried, and worried 00:22:55.375 --> 00:22:57.711 that they could be next. 00:22:57.752 --> 00:23:00.505 The whole community is living under fear. 00:23:00.547 --> 00:23:04.426 Every woman that travels at night, every person 00:23:04.467 --> 00:23:09.514 has to work at night or go home alone. 00:23:09.556 --> 00:23:10.849 That's why we've got to catch him. 00:23:16.396 --> 00:23:18.523 People were dropping like flies. 00:23:18.565 --> 00:23:20.859 I think they wanted to appear to be doing 00:23:20.900 --> 00:23:24.446 something to solve this case. 00:23:24.487 --> 00:23:26.990 The media said, you got to have a task force. 00:23:27.032 --> 00:23:28.867 You got to have a task force. 00:23:28.908 --> 00:23:30.535 We got a task force. 00:23:30.577 --> 00:23:31.870 The special task force has 00:23:31.911 --> 00:23:35.665 taken over the investigation of all the cases. 00:23:35.707 --> 00:23:38.752 It was started ostensibly to get everyone sharing 00:23:38.793 --> 00:23:40.837 information with one another, but they 00:23:40.879 --> 00:23:44.215 didn't always get along very well with each other. 00:23:44.257 --> 00:23:47.177 That's the worst way to investigate a murder case. 00:23:47.218 --> 00:23:50.430 Any more than two detectives is one too many. 00:23:50.472 --> 00:23:53.641 Had all these multiple jurisdictions 00:23:53.683 --> 00:23:55.769 essentially competing to see who could 00:23:55.810 --> 00:23:59.189 bring this thing to an end. 00:23:59.230 --> 00:24:01.816 I've never been a fan of law enforcement 00:24:01.858 --> 00:24:06.237 by committee, which basically a task force is. 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:07.405 Usually, it doesn't work. 00:24:07.447 --> 00:24:10.867 And in this case, didn't work. 00:24:10.909 --> 00:24:13.161 Despite hours of work by detectives from 00:24:13.203 --> 00:24:14.788 the Sheriff's Department, Glendale Police, 00:24:14.829 --> 00:24:17.415 and Los Angeles Police, the 52-man 00:24:17.457 --> 00:24:20.585 task force has not been able to crack The Strangler case. 00:24:26.966 --> 00:24:33.098 I was dating Ken while all the killings were going on. 00:24:33.139 --> 00:24:35.767 Because it was a very, very scary time, 00:24:35.809 --> 00:24:40.105 had it been in another city or not close to home, 00:24:40.146 --> 00:24:42.440 probably wouldn't have been as scary. 00:24:42.482 --> 00:24:45.568 But when it's happening in your own neighborhood, 00:24:45.610 --> 00:24:48.571 it's a very scary feeling. 00:24:48.613 --> 00:24:51.116 My friend and I weren't cruising anymore. 00:24:51.157 --> 00:24:53.034 We weren't going to the movies. 00:24:53.076 --> 00:24:55.036 You were just staying home. 00:24:55.078 --> 00:24:58.873 And my only time being out after dark 00:24:58.915 --> 00:25:02.293 is when I was with Ken. 00:25:02.335 --> 00:25:06.464 I figured I would be safe being with Ken 00:25:06.506 --> 00:25:10.218 because he'd protect me from the Hillside Strangler. 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:20.228 Now, when I was-- when I was a kid, I grew 00:25:20.270 --> 00:25:22.188 up in the Catholic school. 00:25:22.230 --> 00:25:27.027 But by the time I had gotten through high school, 00:25:27.068 --> 00:25:31.197 I really lost a lot of my religious stigmas, 00:25:31.239 --> 00:25:35.368 and there was no longer just only two categories-- 00:25:35.410 --> 00:25:36.953 good and bad-- because there was 00:25:36.995 --> 00:25:39.497 no such thing as really bad. 00:25:39.539 --> 00:25:44.377 It was just somebody doing whatever made them happy. 00:25:44.419 --> 00:25:47.589 And it was no such thing as really good. 00:25:47.630 --> 00:25:49.299 I also learned that there were things-- 00:25:49.341 --> 00:25:53.970 there were things in this world that were secrets. 00:25:54.012 --> 00:25:55.013 And there were a reason for doing 00:25:55.055 --> 00:25:56.264 things that were secrets. 00:26:02.771 --> 00:26:04.731 I started in '76 00:26:04.773 --> 00:26:07.275 with the police department. 00:26:07.317 --> 00:26:10.820 My job description was identification collection 00:26:10.862 --> 00:26:12.530 and preservation of evidence. 00:26:12.572 --> 00:26:16.743 I loved to work field crime scenes. 00:26:16.785 --> 00:26:19.162 We were small at the time. 00:26:19.204 --> 00:26:20.622 And all of a sudden, we were getting 00:26:20.664 --> 00:26:25.001 all these calls for murder cases involving 00:26:25.043 --> 00:26:27.212 The Hillside Strangler. 00:26:27.253 --> 00:26:29.506 The latest victim was a pretty 18-year-old business 00:26:29.547 --> 00:26:31.883 school student abducted in front of her home. 00:26:31.925 --> 00:26:34.761 Like the others, she was strangled. 00:26:34.803 --> 00:26:36.513 Lauren Wagner was a student. 00:26:36.554 --> 00:26:40.141 And she appeared to be pulled over once she 00:26:40.183 --> 00:26:41.518 got into her driveway. 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.020 She wasn't missing that long, and 00:26:44.062 --> 00:26:46.022 the next time she was seen was when 00:26:46.064 --> 00:26:47.649 we found her on a hillside. 00:26:47.691 --> 00:26:49.442 A man in the neighborhood discovered 00:26:49.484 --> 00:26:51.319 the body about 7:30 this morning 00:26:51.361 --> 00:26:52.696 and called the police. 00:26:52.737 --> 00:26:55.657 We collected whatever was there. 00:26:55.699 --> 00:26:58.368 Outside crime scenes, especially body dumps, 00:26:58.410 --> 00:27:00.578 are pretty much you just gather what you can, 00:27:00.620 --> 00:27:04.082 and down the road, we might figure out that some of this 00:27:04.124 --> 00:27:05.375 is important. 00:27:05.417 --> 00:27:09.963 We picked up empty cans, or other papers, 00:27:10.005 --> 00:27:11.881 or cigarette *s that could have 00:27:11.923 --> 00:27:14.259 been left by the suspects. 00:27:14.300 --> 00:27:17.053 You don't know, so you collect everything. 00:27:17.095 --> 00:27:18.513 When we got to the coroner's office, 00:27:18.555 --> 00:27:21.266 we were able to examine with the hands. 00:27:21.307 --> 00:27:24.728 And on the inside of Lauren Wagner's hands were 00:27:24.769 --> 00:27:26.563 double marks like a burn. 00:27:26.604 --> 00:27:29.315 My first guess was it looked like an electrical cord would 00:27:29.357 --> 00:27:29.899 leave. 00:27:29.941 --> 00:27:31.317 A burn mark. 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.862 Wires had been attached to her hands 00:27:33.903 --> 00:27:35.196 and used-- 00:27:35.238 --> 00:27:37.240 if not to electrocute her, then 00:27:37.282 --> 00:27:39.409 certainly to torture her-- 00:27:39.451 --> 00:27:42.704 almost as if there were some experiments going on here. 00:27:42.746 --> 00:27:47.417 I did note that around her wrist, she had tape residue. 00:27:47.459 --> 00:27:52.213 And she had fibers in that residue. 00:27:52.255 --> 00:27:55.216 They did not look like typical fibers 00:27:55.258 --> 00:27:57.594 that you find on a hillside amongst a pile 00:27:57.635 --> 00:27:59.596 of leaves and dirt. 00:27:59.637 --> 00:28:04.309 It looked like fibers from some kind of carpeting, 00:28:04.351 --> 00:28:06.227 or rugs, or clothing. 00:28:06.269 --> 00:28:09.314 But it was microscopic. 00:28:09.356 --> 00:28:13.109 I thought this might be a huge piece of evidence. 00:28:13.151 --> 00:28:14.694 Because up till now, 00:28:14.736 --> 00:28:18.323 frankly, we didn't have a whole lot. 00:28:18.365 --> 00:28:22.744 Around her wrists, there were also indentations-- 00:28:22.786 --> 00:28:24.579 marks the size of a handcuff. 00:28:24.621 --> 00:28:26.289 And if you know anything about handcuffs, 00:28:26.331 --> 00:28:29.209 they're two pieces of metal, and the one 00:28:29.250 --> 00:28:30.585 piece goes through the other. 00:28:30.627 --> 00:28:32.420 And so there's lines-- 00:28:32.462 --> 00:28:34.798 parallel lines-- for handcuffs, as opposed 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:36.216 to a rope. 00:28:36.257 --> 00:28:38.635 Anybody can get a pair of handcuffs, 00:28:38.677 --> 00:28:40.804 but not everybody could have the power 00:28:40.845 --> 00:28:45.475 or authority to convince these girls to go along with them. 00:28:45.517 --> 00:28:48.436 There were no defense wounds on the victims. 00:28:48.478 --> 00:28:51.481 These victims went along with the program. 00:28:51.523 --> 00:28:53.942 They went along with the suspect. 00:28:53.983 --> 00:28:57.153 And that was something that we knew very early on. 00:28:57.195 --> 00:28:59.572 Somebody either being a police officer, 00:28:59.614 --> 00:29:01.783 or have the power of police, or had 00:29:01.825 --> 00:29:05.453 a police identification, was pretending to be a police. 00:29:05.495 --> 00:29:09.165 And because he was, he was able to convince the victims 00:29:09.207 --> 00:29:12.085 to go along in all his cases. 00:29:12.127 --> 00:29:15.547 They couldn't figure out how these girls were voluntarily 00:29:15.588 --> 00:29:17.048 getting into cars. 00:29:17.090 --> 00:29:18.299 These guys were picking up the girls 00:29:18.341 --> 00:29:19.759 too fast and got too fast. 00:29:19.801 --> 00:29:21.553 That's why I think they thought it was a cop. 00:29:24.347 --> 00:29:26.725 It didn't make me personally upset. 00:29:26.766 --> 00:29:30.687 It made me consider that we have to investigate 00:29:30.729 --> 00:29:31.855 police officers. 00:29:31.896 --> 00:29:33.106 We did. 00:29:33.148 --> 00:29:35.775 We started a special investigative group 00:29:35.817 --> 00:29:39.988 that investigated Los Angeles Police officers. 00:29:40.030 --> 00:29:42.365 Daryl Gates, at some point in time, 00:29:42.407 --> 00:29:44.451 did a press conference where he 00:29:44.492 --> 00:29:48.204 mentioned that the marks on the wrists 00:29:48.382 --> 00:29:49.542 I don't think 00:29:49.683 --> 00:29:52.345 he would have accomplished all that he has accomplished-- 00:29:52.486 --> 00:29:53.988 if you can call that accomplishment-- 00:29:54.029 --> 00:29:57.658 without having had some distinct knowledge 00:29:57.700 --> 00:29:59.952 about police operations. 00:29:59.994 --> 00:30:02.037 Well, that created a firestorm. 00:30:03.330 --> 00:30:05.791 You'd then have cops trying to pull somebody 00:30:05.833 --> 00:30:07.960 over for a traffic violation. 00:30:08.002 --> 00:30:11.422 And if it was a lone female, particularly after dark, 00:30:11.464 --> 00:30:12.298 she wouldn't stop. 00:30:14.258 --> 00:30:16.135 And the police, for the first time that I 00:30:16.177 --> 00:30:17.428 know of-- first time in history 00:30:17.470 --> 00:30:19.180 I've ever been able to find-- 00:30:19.221 --> 00:30:20.556 issued a notice. 00:30:20.598 --> 00:30:22.475 They have issued an unprecedented warning 00:30:22.516 --> 00:30:25.144 to women drivers stopped by officers. 00:30:25.186 --> 00:30:27.021 Be certain of the identification 00:30:27.063 --> 00:30:32.068 of the occupants, even to the extent of continuing to roll 00:30:32.109 --> 00:30:35.988 and asking to see ID and badge. 00:30:36.030 --> 00:30:37.823 If you were a single woman driving in a car, 00:30:37.865 --> 00:30:40.451 you did not have to pull over for a police car. 00:30:40.493 --> 00:30:42.870 You could go home and call the police. 00:30:42.912 --> 00:30:44.163 That had never been done. 00:30:47.191 --> 00:30:49.568 At this point, we don't have any substantial leads. 00:30:49.610 --> 00:30:50.277 And no suspect. 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.237 No suspect or suspects. 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:54.573 We don't even know if there's more than one involved 00:30:54.615 --> 00:30:56.325 or just one. 00:30:56.366 --> 00:30:59.077 Something that we were thinking was happening 00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:00.579 is we got two guys. 00:31:00.621 --> 00:31:04.208 Because it took two guys to move the body from point A 00:31:04.249 --> 00:31:07.252 to point B. They were not dragged. 00:31:07.294 --> 00:31:09.421 They were placed there and displayed there. 00:31:09.463 --> 00:31:11.924 In Salerno's case with Judy Miller, 00:31:11.965 --> 00:31:14.301 he examined Judy Miller's heels, 00:31:14.343 --> 00:31:19.264 and she had no drag marks on her heels of her feet. 00:31:19.306 --> 00:31:21.433 Drag marks would indicate that you 00:31:21.475 --> 00:31:25.145 most likely had just one individual pulling the body. 00:31:25.187 --> 00:31:29.107 The lack of drag marks would indicate that you 00:31:29.149 --> 00:31:30.943 could have two people. 00:31:30.984 --> 00:31:32.903 Or you may still have one person, 00:31:32.945 --> 00:31:34.613 especially if you're just rolling 00:31:34.655 --> 00:31:36.365 the victim out of a car. 00:31:36.406 --> 00:31:39.785 But I'm not sure how you would know whether one 00:31:39.827 --> 00:31:41.411 or two people were involved. 00:31:41.453 --> 00:31:43.664 We couldn't even narrow it down until you 00:31:43.705 --> 00:31:47.167 had caught somebody. 00:31:47.209 --> 00:31:50.170 I just hoped that someday we would find out. 00:31:56.844 --> 00:31:58.428 When I worked for National Ambulance, 00:31:58.470 --> 00:32:01.306 I used to see a lot of people die. 00:32:01.348 --> 00:32:04.518 And no matter if it was the 200th person I'd seen die 00:32:04.560 --> 00:32:08.480 or the second person, I always felt great compassion 00:32:08.522 --> 00:32:10.107 at the loss of life. 00:32:10.149 --> 00:32:11.692 I just really-- there were times when I'd get back 00:32:11.733 --> 00:32:13.819 to the base station and go into the men's room 00:32:13.861 --> 00:32:16.113 and just cry my eyes out. 00:32:16.155 --> 00:32:17.823 I was just so moved. 00:32:17.865 --> 00:32:19.658 And this is just the way I am. 00:32:21.410 --> 00:32:23.787 There is murder, bloody and foul, 00:32:23.829 --> 00:32:27.666 in the otherwise peaceful area around Glendale, California, 00:32:27.708 --> 00:32:29.168 a suburb of Los Angeles. 00:32:29.209 --> 00:32:31.336 Somebody-- one killer or a team-- 00:32:31.378 --> 00:32:33.422 has been murdering young girls. 00:32:33.464 --> 00:32:34.173 Lots of them. 00:32:36.925 --> 00:32:40.179 There had been a lapse in the murders that 00:32:40.220 --> 00:32:42.598 had gone on for two weeks. 00:32:42.639 --> 00:32:45.517 The retiring chief of police at the time 00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.188 was quoted by with "The Los Angeles Times" as saying, 00:32:49.229 --> 00:32:52.900 we think we've scared this guy away. 00:32:52.941 --> 00:32:56.778 That apparently prompted the kidnapping 00:32:56.820 --> 00:32:57.946 of Kimberly Martin. 00:33:00.532 --> 00:33:05.204 My sister was Kimberly Diane Martin. 00:33:05.245 --> 00:33:08.832 Kim was the older of the three of us, 00:33:08.874 --> 00:33:15.297 and she fell into the role of protector and almost mother. 00:33:15.339 --> 00:33:20.219 We were just stuck in this horrible foster home. 00:33:20.260 --> 00:33:23.222 One night Kim crawled out the bedroom window. 00:33:23.263 --> 00:33:26.558 She, I think, had just had enough. 00:33:26.600 --> 00:33:29.561 I think she was 13. 00:33:29.603 --> 00:33:31.814 So I was what, 10? 00:33:31.855 --> 00:33:32.731 Nine or 10. 00:33:34.733 --> 00:33:37.694 For three years, we had been separated. 00:33:37.736 --> 00:33:43.242 I had no idea where she was, what she was doing. 00:33:43.283 --> 00:33:47.955 And out of the blue, I come home from school one day, 00:33:47.996 --> 00:33:52.000 and they say your sister Kim has found you, 00:33:52.042 --> 00:33:53.544 and she wants to see you. 00:33:57.172 --> 00:33:59.049 They let me see her on Thanksgiving. 00:33:59.091 --> 00:34:01.468 November 24, 1977. 00:34:01.510 --> 00:34:03.679 She had a really nice apartment 00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:04.930 on Sunset Boulevard. 00:34:04.972 --> 00:34:08.892 And we cooked a Thanksgiving meal together, 00:34:08.934 --> 00:34:10.602 and we just spent the day together. 00:34:13.147 --> 00:34:15.691 She told me that she was a model 00:34:15.732 --> 00:34:18.360 and that her career was just taking off. 00:34:18.402 --> 00:34:22.447 When I left that Thanksgiving day, I left hopeful. 00:34:22.489 --> 00:34:26.910 The one person that was always there for me is back now, 00:34:26.952 --> 00:34:29.121 and life is going to be different. 00:34:29.163 --> 00:34:30.622 I'm going to be out of the system. 00:34:30.664 --> 00:34:32.708 I'm going to be with my sister. 00:34:32.749 --> 00:34:35.794 On December 13th, we were on the phone, 00:34:35.836 --> 00:34:39.882 and Kim is telling me look, Marcia, there 00:34:39.923 --> 00:34:44.470 are things about my life that you don't know or understand, 00:34:44.511 --> 00:34:50.934 and I can't tell you about it right now. 00:34:50.976 --> 00:34:55.564 But I need you to know that my life is not perfect, 00:34:55.606 --> 00:34:57.774 and I really want to see you again. 00:34:57.816 --> 00:34:59.151 She told me that she loved me. 00:34:59.193 --> 00:35:00.319 And I said I love you too. 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.029 And I promise I'll be good. 00:35:04.781 --> 00:35:08.952 Kim did not tell me that she was into prostitution. 00:35:12.080 --> 00:35:14.833 It's December 13, 1977. 00:35:14.875 --> 00:35:16.168 It's around 10 o'clock. 00:35:16.210 --> 00:35:17.961 Sitting cross-legged on my bed, 00:35:18.003 --> 00:35:20.172 news is on, writing a term paper. 00:35:22.216 --> 00:35:23.509 My phone rings. 00:35:23.550 --> 00:35:25.844 It's a woman who had set up an escort service. 00:35:25.886 --> 00:35:27.930 And so she was going to protect the girls, 00:35:27.971 --> 00:35:32.976 and her protocol was to have the girls call her 00:35:33.018 --> 00:35:35.854 back the minute she sent them out 00:35:35.896 --> 00:35:38.023 and to say that the guy is OK. 00:35:38.065 --> 00:35:42.236 The man asked for a young blonde modelish-looking girl, 00:35:42.277 --> 00:35:46.156 and she gave Kimberly the information on the man. 00:35:46.198 --> 00:35:48.033 She was concerned because Kimberly did not 00:35:48.075 --> 00:35:50.369 call her back to say she was OK, 00:35:50.410 --> 00:35:52.496 so I proceeded to call the police. 00:35:52.538 --> 00:35:55.082 I called LAPD and Sheriff's Office-- 00:35:55.124 --> 00:35:56.416 LAPD several times. 00:35:56.458 --> 00:35:59.378 A girl has been sent out by an escort service, 00:35:59.419 --> 00:36:01.380 and she's been lured to a location. 00:36:01.421 --> 00:36:04.341 And I have the exact address. 00:36:04.383 --> 00:36:07.302 You need to send a car now. 00:36:07.344 --> 00:36:12.015 Who in the hell are you tell us to send a car? 00:36:12.057 --> 00:36:13.517 Who the hell are you? 00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.228 And I went to the Sheriff's station, 00:36:16.270 --> 00:36:17.729 and I spoke to the Sheriff. 00:36:17.771 --> 00:36:20.816 And he said that they called LAPD and LAPD 00:36:20.858 --> 00:36:22.359 was going to send a car. 00:36:22.401 --> 00:36:25.404 I kept saying, call back LAPD and see what they're doing. 00:36:25.445 --> 00:36:28.240 I'm sitting there, and hours have passed, 00:36:28.282 --> 00:36:30.284 and I call back LAPD. 00:36:30.325 --> 00:36:32.369 And someone says to me, this girl just 00:36:32.411 --> 00:36:34.746 changed trick houses on you. 00:36:34.788 --> 00:36:38.000 She's just a whore who changed trick houses on you, 00:36:38.041 --> 00:36:40.294 so we're not going to send a car. 00:36:40.335 --> 00:36:43.672 I said OK, and I called Warren Wilson at KNBC. 00:36:43.714 --> 00:36:46.467 It must have been 3 o'clock in the morning. 00:36:46.508 --> 00:36:48.135 I said, Warren, get up. 00:36:48.177 --> 00:36:50.429 We got another one. 00:36:50.471 --> 00:36:53.223 Her car was found parked across the street. 00:36:53.265 --> 00:36:55.434 She went to apartment 114, which 00:36:55.476 --> 00:36:58.770 the manager said has been vacant since last August. 00:36:58.812 --> 00:37:00.606 When she failed to telephone the service 00:37:00.647 --> 00:37:03.442 that she had arrived, they became suspicious. 00:37:03.484 --> 00:37:04.985 I kept calling LAPD-- 00:37:05.027 --> 00:37:06.361 and this started at 10 o'clock-- 00:37:06.403 --> 00:37:07.905 and they kept referring me to different office, 00:37:07.946 --> 00:37:10.324 to a different office, to the strangulation task force. 00:37:10.365 --> 00:37:11.325 You attempted to reach police 00:37:11.366 --> 00:37:12.701 as early as 10:00 or so? 00:37:12.743 --> 00:37:16.163 I've got numbers of six or seven different LAPD 00:37:16.205 --> 00:37:17.414 numbers where I was referred. 00:37:17.456 --> 00:37:20.417 And they refused to send a car out. 00:37:20.459 --> 00:37:23.420 So the next morning, go to the Sheriff's station. 00:37:23.462 --> 00:37:24.755 Nobody wants to say anything. 00:37:24.797 --> 00:37:27.174 And so I go to the payphone, I call my friend 00:37:27.216 --> 00:37:28.967 from Sheriff's homicide. 00:37:29.009 --> 00:37:29.802 He said we got a body. 00:37:30.761 --> 00:37:32.095 Well, see, if anyone-- 00:37:32.137 --> 00:37:33.472 This morning, Ms. Lee was finally 00:37:33.514 --> 00:37:35.474 told to file a missing persons report 00:37:35.516 --> 00:37:37.309 when the Sheriff came out and said 00:37:37.351 --> 00:37:38.852 it would not be necessary. 00:37:38.894 --> 00:37:42.856 LAPD did take a telephonic report of the missing person. 00:37:42.898 --> 00:37:45.150 And the missing person that you reported 00:37:45.192 --> 00:37:48.320 is the person they have found dead on North Alvarado 00:37:48.362 --> 00:37:49.655 Street at 6:30 this morning. 00:37:49.696 --> 00:37:54.409 She's been positively identified. 00:37:54.451 --> 00:37:58.372 When they told me that she was dead, I was sad, 00:37:58.413 --> 00:38:00.999 and I was mad. 00:38:01.041 --> 00:38:02.584 They fumbled. 00:38:02.626 --> 00:38:04.545 It has been three weeks since the Hillside Strangler 00:38:04.586 --> 00:38:06.421 last struck in Los Angeles. 00:38:06.463 --> 00:38:08.298 But this morning, another grim discovery. 00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:09.842 Another nude body. 00:38:09.883 --> 00:38:12.761 And apparently, the Hillside Strangler has struck again. 00:38:12.803 --> 00:38:16.098 They took me back to the group home, 00:38:16.140 --> 00:38:22.271 sat me down, and said, I have something to tell you. 00:38:22.312 --> 00:38:25.858 Your sister has been murdered by the Hillside Strangler. 00:38:25.899 --> 00:38:32.573 And I was like no way, you liar. 00:38:38.662 --> 00:38:40.038 You're not telling me the truth 00:38:40.080 --> 00:38:44.543 because I was just on the phone with her. 00:38:44.585 --> 00:38:46.420 And I was just devastated. 00:38:46.462 --> 00:38:51.717 I couldn't wrap my mind around it. 00:38:51.758 --> 00:38:58.557 This couldn't be true. 00:39:03.937 --> 00:39:06.190 Her body was found about six hours 00:39:06.231 --> 00:39:10.486 after Ms. Lee first attempted to report the woman missing. 00:39:10.527 --> 00:39:11.904 She had been dumped over the side 00:39:11.945 --> 00:39:14.281 of a mountain in the elision hills section 00:39:14.323 --> 00:39:16.783 of the Silver Lake area. 00:39:16.825 --> 00:39:20.370 It was probably the most blatant 00:39:20.412 --> 00:39:22.581 of all the murder scenes. 00:39:22.623 --> 00:39:23.916 She had been left 00:39:23.957 --> 00:39:27.795 on a hill that actually was visible from police 00:39:27.836 --> 00:39:29.838 headquarters. 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:33.050 So this was a signal that was being sent to the Los Angeles 00:39:33.091 --> 00:39:37.262 Police Department that the Hillside Strangler was not 00:39:37.304 --> 00:39:39.056 scared away. 00:39:39.097 --> 00:39:40.599 You think we've gone away? 00:39:40.641 --> 00:39:44.061 Well, check this out. 00:39:44.102 --> 00:39:46.688 By the time we got there-- the lab-- 00:39:46.730 --> 00:39:49.274 everybody and their brother was there, including 00:39:49.316 --> 00:39:51.318 the assistant chief. 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.612 News media-- everybody was there. 00:39:53.654 --> 00:39:56.073 We tried to look for anything that 00:39:56.114 --> 00:39:58.283 indicated how she got there. 00:39:58.325 --> 00:40:01.829 But we didn't find anything because the helicopters 00:40:01.870 --> 00:40:04.414 had already disturbed the area enough. 00:40:04.456 --> 00:40:07.417 We knew that Kim Martin was called out the night 00:40:07.459 --> 00:40:11.296 before to a apartment building from a payphone, 00:40:11.338 --> 00:40:12.881 so we did fingerprints. 00:40:12.923 --> 00:40:14.633 And we did find a print. 00:40:14.675 --> 00:40:16.426 Today, these prints would have been 00:40:16.468 --> 00:40:18.428 sent through an automated print system, 00:40:18.470 --> 00:40:19.972 which we didn't have then. 00:40:20.013 --> 00:40:22.933 So they sat, and there was nobody to compare them to. 00:40:22.975 --> 00:40:25.185 Three witnesses told police they 00:40:25.227 --> 00:40:27.229 heard her screaming for help. 00:40:27.271 --> 00:40:29.106 One witness in the next apartment 00:40:29.148 --> 00:40:32.192 told police she heard the woman pleading, quote, please 00:40:32.234 --> 00:40:33.652 don't kill me. 00:40:33.694 --> 00:40:35.571 We gathered the information. 00:40:35.612 --> 00:40:36.989 I called the police. 00:40:37.030 --> 00:40:39.700 They potentially could have checked that phone booth 00:40:39.741 --> 00:40:42.119 right then and there and to check the people that where 00:40:42.161 --> 00:40:44.997 the phone call was made to see if anyone had seen this man. 00:40:45.038 --> 00:40:46.498 Or they could have gone out to the location 00:40:46.540 --> 00:40:48.542 and found out right away that she was gone. 00:40:48.584 --> 00:40:51.003 And very simply, when I called the police, 00:40:51.044 --> 00:40:54.089 if they would have gone out to the location, 00:40:54.131 --> 00:40:55.299 it would have been over. 00:40:55.340 --> 00:40:58.343 They blew it. 00:40:58.385 --> 00:41:00.429 And it was right there in front of them. 00:41:00.471 --> 00:41:01.763 Right there in front of them. 00:41:01.805 --> 00:41:03.515 Protest was prompted by reports 00:41:03.557 --> 00:41:06.018 that police failed to respond to an attempt 00:41:06.059 --> 00:41:09.396 by a woman to file a missing persons report on the woman 00:41:09.438 --> 00:41:11.857 who was found dead yesterday. 00:41:11.899 --> 00:41:13.358 The task force and the department 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.779 is accepting every call of a person who could be missing 00:41:17.821 --> 00:41:20.365 as being serious information. 00:41:20.407 --> 00:41:22.284 And that information is followed up 00:41:22.326 --> 00:41:23.577 upon as quickly as it can be. 00:41:23.619 --> 00:41:25.078 Someone was in trouble. 00:41:25.120 --> 00:41:27.790 There was a girl missing, and the facts were all there. 00:41:27.831 --> 00:41:30.709 If the police would have done their job, then none of this 00:41:30.751 --> 00:41:31.785 would have happened. 00:41:31.971 --> 00:41:37.018 that there's a possibility that had the police 00:41:37.060 --> 00:41:38.937 responded, she might-- 00:41:38.978 --> 00:41:42.732 she could be here. 00:41:46.587 --> 00:41:48.256 That's something I've grown a real dislike 00:41:48.297 --> 00:41:50.591 for is the news media. 00:41:50.633 --> 00:41:52.677 Oh, you have to know them well to appreciate that. 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.053 Obviously. 00:41:54.095 --> 00:41:56.264 Oh, I'm sure there is a lot of good points. 00:41:56.305 --> 00:41:58.599 The power of the pen is very powerful. 00:41:58.641 --> 00:41:59.559 Yes. 00:41:59.600 --> 00:42:01.018 There's a lot of good points. 00:42:01.060 --> 00:42:04.939 Just unfortunately, I've seen very few. 00:42:04.981 --> 00:42:06.149 I was thinking the other day that it 00:42:06.190 --> 00:42:07.400 would be nice to pick up a newspaper 00:42:07.442 --> 00:42:08.818 and not read any bad news. 00:42:08.860 --> 00:42:10.945 But if there wasn't any bad news in the newspaper, 00:42:10.987 --> 00:42:12.613 there wouldn't be any newspapers sold. 00:42:18.327 --> 00:42:20.955 I don't remember Ken ever watching the news 00:42:20.997 --> 00:42:23.124 until the killings started. 00:42:23.166 --> 00:42:24.125 And then, all of the sudden, he 00:42:24.167 --> 00:42:26.461 was interested in the news. 00:42:26.502 --> 00:42:29.756 He was living at a house up in Glendale, 00:42:29.797 --> 00:42:32.925 and we were sitting there watching the news, 00:42:32.930 --> 00:42:35.141 He goes, I'm just so devastated 00:42:34.510 --> 00:42:35.803 But I said come on, let's go. 00:42:35.845 --> 00:42:36.804 And he goes no, no, no. 00:42:36.846 --> 00:42:37.889 I need to see the news. 00:42:37.967 --> 00:42:39.469 and I wanted to go somewhere. 00:42:40.183 --> 00:42:41.976 by what is going on now. 00:42:42.018 --> 00:42:43.227 He goes, let's just see this. 00:42:43.269 --> 00:42:44.812 Then he goes, then we'll go. 00:42:44.854 --> 00:42:47.899 Because I need to see if they've caught this guy yet. 00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:50.151 So we had to sit there and watch 00:42:50.193 --> 00:42:52.195 the news until it came on. 00:42:52.236 --> 00:42:54.447 And of course, they were talking about another body 00:42:54.489 --> 00:42:55.782 being found. 00:42:55.823 --> 00:42:59.160 And I do remember saying to him why the interest. 00:42:59.202 --> 00:43:00.953 And he goes, I'm just-- 00:43:00.995 --> 00:43:03.623 I can't believe all this is happening. 00:43:03.664 --> 00:43:05.583 Who would do this? 00:43:05.625 --> 00:43:07.335 A police psychologist is developing 00:43:07.377 --> 00:43:09.295 a psychological profile of a man he 00:43:09.337 --> 00:43:11.172 believes to be a psychopath. 00:43:11.214 --> 00:43:13.174 A man who has a compulsion to kill 00:43:13.216 --> 00:43:15.385 but who at the same time, wants to be caught. 00:43:15.426 --> 00:43:17.762 He will probably become more careless 00:43:17.804 --> 00:43:19.222 with each succeeding victim. 00:43:25.561 --> 00:43:27.730 We in law enforcement 00:43:27.772 --> 00:43:32.318 or in the crime lab are always looking for an answer. 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:35.238 And there didn't seem to be a reason. 00:43:35.279 --> 00:43:37.156 In these cases, there was no connection 00:43:37.198 --> 00:43:38.825 between the victims. 00:43:38.866 --> 00:43:41.577 There was no apparent reason that they were being killed. 00:43:41.619 --> 00:43:42.745 Nothing. 00:43:42.787 --> 00:43:45.665 Yes, they were connected by certain things. 00:43:45.707 --> 00:43:47.458 But then again, I could see things 00:43:47.500 --> 00:43:50.920 that maybe it wasn't the same person or two people. 00:43:50.962 --> 00:43:54.882 Everything was slightly different with the bodies. 00:43:54.924 --> 00:43:57.301 They weren't doing the same thing every time. 00:43:57.343 --> 00:43:58.553 And that was a puzzle. 00:43:58.594 --> 00:44:00.888 Could this really be the same people? 00:44:00.930 --> 00:44:03.641 There been enough bodies found over a wide enough area 00:44:03.683 --> 00:44:07.061 to strongly suggest at this point more than one killer. 00:44:07.103 --> 00:44:09.188 But police say they really don't know. 00:44:09.230 --> 00:44:11.983 They really can't rule out anything. 00:44:12.025 --> 00:44:13.317 There's all kinds of speculation 00:44:13.359 --> 00:44:15.069 here that you could look at to whether or not 00:44:15.111 --> 00:44:16.904 it's a copycat murder. 00:44:16.946 --> 00:44:20.199 Or whether there's two different kinds of people, 00:44:20.241 --> 00:44:22.618 or three or four doing it. 00:44:22.660 --> 00:44:25.079 Serial killers tend to have a specific kind 00:44:25.121 --> 00:44:26.539 of victim in mind. 00:44:26.581 --> 00:44:29.667 And they would usually be at the same race, 00:44:29.709 --> 00:44:32.920 of the same age cohort, and generally 00:44:32.962 --> 00:44:37.425 have a lot of physical attributes in common. 00:44:37.467 --> 00:44:40.720 Yolanda Washington was outside of that purview. 00:44:40.762 --> 00:44:43.598 And we also had two guys, who were not detectives 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:47.018 in the task force, constantly insisted to us 00:44:47.060 --> 00:44:50.855 through channels that Cepeda Johnson were not victims 00:44:50.897 --> 00:44:52.315 of the Hillside Strangler. 00:44:52.357 --> 00:44:54.609 But when we looked at the crime scene, 00:44:54.650 --> 00:44:57.862 there's no question about the ligature marks on those two. 00:44:57.904 --> 00:45:01.115 That was consistent with all the other victims. 00:45:01.157 --> 00:45:02.617 We had a kind of a saying. 00:45:02.658 --> 00:45:05.328 That we could walk up on a dead victim laying out 00:45:05.370 --> 00:45:07.622 anywhere, and get within two or three feet 00:45:07.663 --> 00:45:09.499 and decide right off the bat that she 00:45:09.540 --> 00:45:11.626 wasn't a victim of that case. 00:45:11.667 --> 00:45:16.297 That's how firm we believed they used a consistent MO 00:45:16.339 --> 00:45:19.717 of five-point ligature. 00:45:25.014 --> 00:45:27.975 I think I was about 25, working at the Red 00:45:28.017 --> 00:45:30.103 Vest restaurant part time. 00:45:30.144 --> 00:45:31.521 It was a nice restaurant. 00:45:31.562 --> 00:45:34.315 It was located on Glendale Avenue in good location 00:45:34.357 --> 00:45:35.525 near my home. 00:45:35.566 --> 00:45:37.068 Most of the customers were regular, 00:45:37.110 --> 00:45:39.278 and you would know what they were going to order to drink 00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:40.905 before they even sat down. 00:45:40.947 --> 00:45:43.074 One night I came in, and they said oh, we have a new girl. 00:45:43.116 --> 00:45:44.283 Her name is Cindy Hudspeth. 00:45:44.325 --> 00:45:45.451 And I said, OK. 00:45:45.493 --> 00:45:47.662 And so then we started talking. 00:45:47.704 --> 00:45:50.498 She was 19 years old, and she had her own apartment. 00:45:50.540 --> 00:45:52.500 She was supporting herself. 00:45:52.542 --> 00:45:54.544 She was very innocent. 00:45:54.585 --> 00:45:56.629 She never said bad words. 00:45:56.671 --> 00:45:59.757 When she would cuss, it would be something like puppy puke. 00:45:59.799 --> 00:46:01.801 So she kind of latched on to me, 00:46:01.843 --> 00:46:03.920 and we always found ways to have fun. 00:46:04.089 --> 00:46:05.549 After all these things started happening 00:46:05.590 --> 00:46:06.659 with those Hillside Stranglers, 00:46:06.700 --> 00:46:09.411 we got to be very, very cautious. 00:46:09.453 --> 00:46:12.373 We paid attention to the surroundings. 00:46:12.414 --> 00:46:16.085 I told her-- I said, we have to be really careful. 00:46:16.126 --> 00:46:18.170 She had just bought a Datsun B210. 00:46:18.212 --> 00:46:19.296 It was orange. 00:46:19.338 --> 00:46:21.298 And she was thrilled to death about it. 00:46:21.340 --> 00:46:23.050 It was her first brand new car. 00:46:23.092 --> 00:46:26.804 I took Cindy, and I said, OK, look, if you suspect 00:46:26.845 --> 00:46:29.682 somebody's following you or you don't feel comfortable, 00:46:29.723 --> 00:46:31.100 then this is where you go. 00:46:31.141 --> 00:46:32.434 Right in front of the police department's door. 00:46:32.476 --> 00:46:33.602 That's the thing to do. 00:46:33.644 --> 00:46:35.020 I said, do not get out of your car. 00:46:35.062 --> 00:46:36.647 You stay in your car and honk your horn 00:46:36.689 --> 00:46:38.774 until a police officer comes. 00:46:38.816 --> 00:46:41.777 I said but that's the way to do it. 00:46:41.819 --> 00:46:43.445 I tried to be very protective of her 00:46:43.487 --> 00:46:44.738 because I cared about her. 00:46:44.780 --> 00:46:47.074 And I didn't want anything to happen. 00:46:47.116 --> 00:46:48.951 When you're that young, you're invincible. 00:46:48.993 --> 00:46:50.494 Nothing's going to happen to you. 00:46:50.536 --> 00:46:53.539 But that's not true, and we found out. 00:46:54.540 --> 00:46:55.457 Die. 00:47:02.631 --> 00:47:04.717 In Los Angeles, another young woman 00:47:04.758 --> 00:47:07.261 strangled in the hills. 00:47:07.303 --> 00:47:10.556 We've determined, after a preliminary investigation 00:47:10.598 --> 00:47:13.183 in the ravine, that there are some marks that 00:47:13.225 --> 00:47:16.145 are on the upper chest or the upper torso of the body 00:47:16.186 --> 00:47:19.940 and in the neck area that indicate that there has been 00:47:19.982 --> 00:47:21.692 some damage done to the body. 00:47:21.734 --> 00:47:24.820 Now, do those marks indicate that this might 00:47:24.862 --> 00:47:26.405 be the strangler victim? 00:47:26.447 --> 00:47:30.284 Those marks certainly lend itself more to the strangler 00:47:30.326 --> 00:47:32.661 than it did a few months ago. 00:47:32.703 --> 00:47:34.371 That day-- or when I walked in, the manager 00:47:34.413 --> 00:47:35.456 of the restaurant says come here. 00:47:35.497 --> 00:47:36.790 I want to talk to you. 00:47:36.832 --> 00:47:38.250 And she took me into the employees bathroom 00:47:38.292 --> 00:47:40.502 and told me that they found Cindy's body. 00:47:40.544 --> 00:47:43.505 And I think she was killed by the Hillside strangler. 00:47:43.547 --> 00:47:44.506 I went berserk. 00:47:44.548 --> 00:47:46.216 I literally climbed the walls. 00:47:46.258 --> 00:47:47.760 I'm like, no, no. 00:47:47.801 --> 00:47:50.012 This-- I mean, I was screaming just hysterically. 00:47:50.054 --> 00:47:52.264 I couldn't believe this was happening. 00:47:52.306 --> 00:47:53.474 It just-- it never-- 00:47:53.515 --> 00:47:55.226 it just-- it couldn't be. 00:47:56.810 --> 00:47:58.187 It's not happening. 00:47:56.943 --> 00:47:57.569 It's not true. 00:47:58.229 --> 00:48:00.272 And finally, I just ran out the back door 00:48:00.267 --> 00:48:01.101 It can't be true. 00:48:03.317 --> 00:48:05.569 And when I opened the door, there it was on the TV. 00:48:08.656 --> 00:48:15.788 It was her orange Datsun B210, and they were pulling it up. 00:48:15.829 --> 00:48:19.917 They found Cindy's body in the trunk of her car. 00:48:22.628 --> 00:48:24.046 It was true. 00:48:24.088 --> 00:48:26.632 Whether I wanted to believe it or not, it was true. 00:48:26.674 --> 00:48:28.092 It was happening. 00:48:29.414 --> 00:48:32.375 and ran across the parking lot up to my apartment. 00:48:34.056 --> 00:48:35.558 There were more than 4,200 00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:38.644 women enrolled in classes at Glendale Community College. 00:48:38.686 --> 00:48:41.063 Cindy Hudspeth was one of them. 00:48:41.105 --> 00:48:43.148 Her death has generated emotional debates 00:48:43.190 --> 00:48:44.942 on campus about the ease at which 00:48:44.984 --> 00:48:48.195 women can become victims of the Hillside Strangler. 00:48:48.237 --> 00:48:51.782 There was a lot of disappointment in the air. 00:48:51.824 --> 00:48:54.493 A lot of frustration in the air. 00:48:54.535 --> 00:48:55.703 On the steps of City Hall 00:48:55.744 --> 00:48:58.247 the Memorial became a symbolic drama. 00:48:58.289 --> 00:49:01.834 10 actresses dressed in Black, to symbolize the grief 00:49:01.875 --> 00:49:04.211 for the 10 women who have recently been found 00:49:04.253 --> 00:49:05.754 raped and strangled. 00:49:05.796 --> 00:49:08.716 But the Memorial was tinged with anger, too. 00:49:08.757 --> 00:49:10.426 It was a pressure cooker. 00:49:10.467 --> 00:49:11.760 We are fighting back. 00:49:13.304 --> 00:49:15.306 Everyone wanted to see this person caught. 00:49:15.347 --> 00:49:16.932 Still no solution to the outbreak 00:49:16.974 --> 00:49:19.435 of murders in and near the Glendale section 00:49:19.476 --> 00:49:20.769 of suburban Los Angeles. 00:49:20.811 --> 00:49:22.438 Police believe that a single killer 00:49:22.479 --> 00:49:26.150 or killers are responsible for 10 of those deaths. 00:49:26.191 --> 00:49:28.944 The media always complicates our job. 00:49:28.986 --> 00:49:30.946 But when you have this kind of attention 00:49:30.988 --> 00:49:33.407 you get a lot of wannabes out there. 00:49:33.449 --> 00:49:36.076 A suspect has been picked up by the Los Angeles Police and 00:49:36.118 --> 00:49:38.495 the Hillside Strangler case. 00:49:38.537 --> 00:49:39.830 I want to make this very clear. 00:49:39.872 --> 00:49:41.790 I don't want to raise anyone's expectations 00:49:41.832 --> 00:49:44.710 on the information that we presently have. 00:49:44.752 --> 00:49:46.921 One guy got stoned one day, 00:49:46.962 --> 00:49:49.131 and ran outside his house with no clothes 00:49:49.173 --> 00:49:52.092 on and started screaming he was The Hillside Strangler, 00:49:52.134 --> 00:49:53.636 and so the police showed up. 00:49:53.677 --> 00:49:56.055 Uniformed police bring him in and I 00:49:56.096 --> 00:49:58.224 have to deal with this moron. 00:49:58.265 --> 00:50:00.476 And this guy is no more The Hillside 00:50:00.517 --> 00:50:01.769 Strangler than I was. 00:50:01.810 --> 00:50:03.354 This is the second time Los Angeles 00:50:03.395 --> 00:50:07.024 Police have arrested a man and then have had to let him go. 00:50:09.568 --> 00:50:13.322 Well, let me say I'm disappointed. 00:50:13.364 --> 00:50:15.115 We eliminated him, just like we 00:50:15.157 --> 00:50:16.992 eliminated a lot of people who wanted 00:50:17.034 --> 00:50:19.119 to be The Hillside Strangler. 00:50:19.161 --> 00:50:21.413 God knows why you would want to be known 00:50:21.455 --> 00:50:22.581 as The Hillside Strangler. 00:50:29.004 --> 00:50:32.675 This one night, I was with Ken at his apartment. 00:50:32.716 --> 00:50:34.718 And there had just been a body found, 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:36.470 I think that day or the day before. 00:50:36.512 --> 00:50:39.306 And I had to park my car all the way in the back 00:50:39.348 --> 00:50:40.599 of the apartments. 00:50:40.641 --> 00:50:42.851 And I was getting ready to leave, and I said, 00:50:42.893 --> 00:50:44.353 can you please walk me to my car? 00:50:44.395 --> 00:50:47.314 He goes, oh, don't worry, nobody's going to hurt you. 00:50:47.356 --> 00:50:49.942 I said, please just walk me to my car. 00:50:49.984 --> 00:50:55.072 He goes, I promise you no one's going to hurt you. 00:50:55.114 --> 00:50:58.867 And so I walked by myself in the dark 00:50:58.909 --> 00:51:03.080 to my car to go home, feeling terrible that he 00:51:03.122 --> 00:51:06.959 wasn't trying to protect me. 00:51:07.001 --> 00:51:09.336 And why would he not help protect me? 00:51:09.378 --> 00:51:18.512 Ken knew no one was going to hurt me 00:51:18.554 --> 00:51:20.389 because The Hillside Strangler was sitting 00:51:20.431 --> 00:51:23.100 right there in the house.