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Shortly after John fired me

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the police came to me to say,

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"Your old boss is accusing
you of stealing a bunch of bugs."

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It was absolutely shocking.

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I didn't really
understand any of that.

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I told them what the deal was.

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There was no crime committed.

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There was no theft.

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There was no heist.

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Most of these insects didn't even exist.

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This was all fabricated.

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If John could have lied
about those insects,

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what else could he lie about?

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I'm just gonna hand you these

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if you could take a look please?

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What do those documents say?

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This document appears

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to be a United States
Department of Agriculture

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report of investigation
regarding the theft

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at the Insectarium & Butterfly Pavilion
or IBP.

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The synopsis indicates

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"approximately six employees

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brought their personally owned
arthropod/reptile collections

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to IBP for display."

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And when the employees removed them,

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John contacted
the Philadelphia Police Department

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and reported them stolen.

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To put all this report in a nutshell,

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the narrative presented

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by Mr. Cambridge
doesn't make sense.

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The investigators found John

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to be inconsistent,

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causing him to lose credibility

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as a victim in this matter.

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It was really scary,
'cause some of these

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are very dangerous creatures.

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The way that
this story snowballed,

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it started out so small,

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and then just took
on a life of its own.

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And this whole circus

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really never happened.

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We're getting a look
at new surveillance video

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in the theft of insects
and small reptiles

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in Northeast Philadelphia.

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Now, the CEO believes
a former employee

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and a group of other people

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are behind this.

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It was heartbreaking to see

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the camera footage of us doing our jobs

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and to see it spun
in a way that...

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That we're thieves.

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He believes this was
an inside job.

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It's... it's just not the truth.

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They're looking at some people

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who used to work there.

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All eyes were on us,

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and it was scary.

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After initially the FBI

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and the police got involved,

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I was absolutely worried

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that I was going to prison.

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We all started having the police

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show up at our house.

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When we went to Chris's home,

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we started going
over what the accusations were,

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what they claimed was taken,

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and what was there
at the Insectarium.

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I realized that stuff

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that was taken
from the Insectarium

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didn't belong to the Insectarium.

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We understood that this was not a theft.

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This was not a robbery.

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This was a dispute
over property.

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Detective Zanetich

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had a premonition that
maybe Mr. Cambridge

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might have led us down
a wrong path on this case.

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The Philadelphia Police

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came to the conclusion

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that there was no crime

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when it came to
the missing bugs.

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Was there a bug heist?

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No. There wasn't a bug heist.

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There was...

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there were no bugs to steal.

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There were never 7,000 insects

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at the Philadelphia Insectarium.

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At most, we maybe had a couple hundred,

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and they weren't his.

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He knows that.

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I know that.

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They were ours.

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John claims that
there was a policy

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in the employee handbook
that said

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any books that were
brought to the museum

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became the museum's property.

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I have that employee handbook.

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It is not in there.

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And what about John's kind of
like fallback position

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that this was an oral policy?

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I don't think there was a policy

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saying your property now

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becomes my property,

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that anything brought into the museum

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belongs to the museum.

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I spoke to all
these kids involved

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in the incident,

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and none of them were aware
of any of that.

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These employees
were bringing their property

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into the Insectarium to display it.

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These items that
were reported stolen

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actually belonged to these kids.

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Some of these kids

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had better collections than
the Insectarium.

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We put them on display

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because we had no budget.

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We were left with no choice

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but to use our own pets

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in display for his museum.

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I did it out of love for my job

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and to educate young
people about insects.

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I had all of my personal
like favorite pets

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in the Insectarium on display.

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I wasn't going to
let him have them,

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so I brought them home.

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So I started taking things home

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because there was a good chance
we would never see

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those animals again otherwise.

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That is when John reported
everything stolen,

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It doesn't make any sense

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that we would have stolen

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from the Insectarium
because we work there.

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We know that there are cameras
all over that building.

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I remember seeing Alison

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leaving with topes
out the front door,

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like taking stuff.

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No one stopped her.

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No one said anything.

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Why are you on the news

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telling people
we're getting robbed,

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but like we're all pretty much

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watching them walk out the door.

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It didn't make sense to me.

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But he loved to be on the news.

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The media heard one story

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and then just stuck with it,

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which was John's story.

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We know exactly who did it.

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We have them on camera doing it.

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We know where the
critters were taken.

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They just went with it.

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And they made headlines over...

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All over the place.

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Orkin gave him, I believe,

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a $10,000 donation

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because of the supposed the theft.

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And then the GoFundMe

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made tens of thousands.

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Tens of thousands.

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It's great publicity.

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Look at how much money he made.

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His business

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was international news,

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and that was the happiest he's ever been.

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If they piecemeal sell it,

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they'll get about 40,000.

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Valued at 41,000...

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Over 40,000...

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Forty thousand dollars.

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Up to $50,000.

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I had an independent expert

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evaluate the list of bugs,

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and it came to

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a fraction of the $50,000.

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And it seemed like John

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wasn't a hundred percent sure

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what he actually
had in the museum

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which was a serious problem.

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I think that those numbers were off.

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I think those numbers were inflated.

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There was also a lot

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of talk of the federal evidence.

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Was the Insectarium housing
federal evidence?

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No.

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John had alluded

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that some of the items in the Insectarium

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were part of evidence
of a bigger case

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on a federal level,

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so we did inquire with the FBI

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to look into that,

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and they couldn't find any cases

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where he would have
been holding items

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for the federal government.

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I had no idea
what he was capable of

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as far as my future career,

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my collection, anything, my life.

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A month after the "heist"

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had taken place

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three police officers,

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an FBI agent, and

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expert witness

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came to my house with a no-knock warrant.

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They went into my animal room

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and I showed them what I had.

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I was absolutely hysterical.

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I was being told that

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the potential jail time

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could be up to 10 years in federal prison,

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that I could be
seeing some serious

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life-altering
problems with this.

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And what about Chrissy
in all this?

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Chrissy was always
presenting herself

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to be completely on our side.

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However, she lied too.

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This is a screenshot
of a text message conversation

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that I had with Chrissy

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about acquiring giant African land snails.

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So Chrissy had assured me that, um

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we did in fact,

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have all the correct
permits needed

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to own giant
African land snails,

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which after speaking
to the USDA,

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um, nobody in the
United States

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owns permits to own giant
African land snails.

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Doesn't exist.

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That permit does not exist.

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Chrissy knew about
that giant African land snail.

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We had meetings about it.

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So do you think Chrissy

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was just kind of
under John's thumb?

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I think that Chrissy

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had a lot invested
in the Insectarium.

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Chrissy is the permit holder for the bugs.

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So, I think that

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she was under a tremendous amount of pressure

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with John's influence.

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She was a pretty good manager,

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but she made mistakes.

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You're gonna sit
like right there.

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Woosah.

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Well, you can have a seat.

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This one is a
difficult one for me,

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I'm not gonna lie.

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What's difficult about it?

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I'm not perfect.

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I make many, many mistakes.

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Um, but I will not continue

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to take the weight

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of somebody else

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and what they've done.

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No more.

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I'm done.

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Done lying for John.

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Ever since the heist,

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John does whatever the heck
he wants to do.

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I found out in this last, like,
couple of weeks

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that John has
taken a ton of money

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from the museum.

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I've covered for him for a long time,

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and...

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I can't do it anymore.

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During this pandemic,

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he has made me lie

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to employees every single week,

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like informing Kinzler

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that you're gonna get paid.

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We were cheating the system for people

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that were going to be collecting

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for unemployment.

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John always justifies

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everything with,

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"Chrissy, you and I,

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we're gonna rock this place.

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"We're gonna kick ...

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"And if this is what

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we have to do at this point,

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this is what we have to do."

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I have responsibility right now,

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and I cannot walk away

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because my name
is on all the permits.

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My name is on one of the loans,

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so it's not easy for me to just walk away.

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But the fact is
that John himself

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has destroyed the business.

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Just look at the sandcastle.

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What are you building?

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It's an amphitheater,

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a coliseum.

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He bought the containers

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because he just has that
extreme attitude of,

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"I'm powerful,

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and this is how I'm gonna run the place."

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There was no plan,

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there was nothing
that went through

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the city to process
or make it legal.

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What permit would John
need for this job?

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Uh, he would need blueprints,

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he would need
engineers, structural.

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He would need a lot of shit.

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It was not safe

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and it made me very
scared as a parent.

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There was a lot of stuff there
that would never ever,

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ever, ever, ever, ever pay us.

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Ever, like, just no, it's wrong.

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The total price John spent

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on the sandcastle

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was a hundred and forty thousand dollars,

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so the financial
state of the museum

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is horrific.

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It is horrible.

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We have maybe $200

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in the bank account.

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The sandcastle is not open now,

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and it's not gonna be open.

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On top of the sandcastle,

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the Insectarium
has a significant amount of money

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that is leaving the Insectarium account.

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I'm really curious as to

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where all of the money is going.

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And so we tried

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to get his parents to understand

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and see the impacts that

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he is having on the building.

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I am trying to pay the bills,

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make ends meet, pay payroll.

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And the numbers aren't matching up,

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and we're just... the
money is not there

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to make it happen.

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I don't understand
some of the withdrawals,

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some of the money

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that is leaving the account.

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When I was looking
through all the accounts,

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I discovered that

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he's addicted to buying stuff.

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The 1938 Jag kit car.

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I'm not sure how payroll
will be taken care off,

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but he bought eight different vehicles.

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It's a Mr. Bean car,

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1955 DeSoto.

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John is a psychopathic narcissist.

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Like, you Google those words,

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that is him to a T.

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He is a self-consumed human being

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that will only look after himself.

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Everything in the Insectarium

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revolved around John Cambridge,

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and the heist was just
one more thing that he,

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I guess, thought that

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he could be the star of.

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Anything to get that publicity.

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John tends to, you know,
use people

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and like push people so hard.

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He doesn't appreciate people

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that do help him.

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If you're not appreciated,

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if you're not taken seriously,

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those kinds of things do bubble over.

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Does everybody understand

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that we're all working
towards the same mission?

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Well...

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Does everybody like...

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- Does everybody...
- I don't feel like

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we're on the same mission right now.

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We've lost all control and all, like, say

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in what's going on,

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and the mission has changed

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and the building has been destroyed.

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The education department is the department
that's making money

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the only thing other than government money

00:14:51.604 --> 00:14:53.898
that is money coming in
to the Insectarium.

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Hi, ladies and gentleman.

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My name is Trisha,

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and she is a rose
hair tarantula.

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I love what I do and I love teaching,

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and so seeing this money

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coming in from teaching

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and then leaving

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for mysterious items and things,

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that doesn't make you feel good at all.

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When are you gonna pay me
for prior to today?

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It's an absurd amount of money.

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What do I owe you money for?

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Last year?

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Just... I'm just...

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All of my time.

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You haven't given me anything

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relative to what I've done here.

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I'm not gonna have the ability

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to pay you lots of
money right now.

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John has absolutely

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destroyed not only myself,

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but he's destroyed
every other employee there.

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Enjoy.

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Nobody there

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wants to work for him.

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Yo, today, okay?

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Because I literally

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can't... I'm walking

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here, and everything
is against me.

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Don't say
everything is against you.

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Take ownership and responsibility for it.

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He has ...  me

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of what I believe in.

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You take care of the people

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that take care of you.

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First of all, thank
you very much

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for coming if you
are not scheduled.

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When I first started at the Insectarium,

00:16:27.408 --> 00:16:29.493
like, John wasn't the John he is now

00:16:30.619 --> 00:16:32.037
the manipulator,

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and that's probably
because of his parents.

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His mother is like fire

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and his father is like water,

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and they continued to save him

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from everything

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instead of letting him hit the reality

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of making a mistake in his life.

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In this past year,
to help the company

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continue to function,

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$65,000 has come

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in as a loan.

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How much have you loaned

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the company in the past year?

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When I was hired,

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or I'm sure when Trisha was hired,

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it was not under the
assumption then that

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we were going to
be part of funding it.

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His private income to this company,

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it is... it is not owed to this.

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It is his prerogative.

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- My private, personal.
- Yeah.

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My stocks
is not owed to this place either.

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But I'm doing it
to help this place.

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I'm simply saying...

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No, I don't want your money.

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There's no expectation
for your money.

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- Great, great.
- Okay, great.

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Okay. What did you gain by that?

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See how you just made a bunch of enemies?

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John, be patient.

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You can stop.
Step outside, okay?

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- No.
- Or...

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Or...

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Or I will just go
file a police report,

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and it can be known that way.

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I don't understand
where this line of question is going.

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Okay, come on.

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Please stay.

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Okay.

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Don't take that tone with me again.

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- Listen...
- Absolutely,

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do not take that tone with me again.

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Mom, I need you to calm down

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and conduct yourself

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with a level of professionalism.

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Okay, now you're talking...

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- Whoa, whoa, whoa.
- You're accusing me.

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You're accusing me

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and that's not right.

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Well, I'll let you
talk to the police.

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Jesus Christ.

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I think he had
that silver spoon his entire life.

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This isn't the first time he ...  up.

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This isn't the first time

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he has done somebody wrong.

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Do you regret testifying on his
behalf at the trial?

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Yes. I 100% regret testifying.

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Now, with everything
that's happened,

00:18:33.826 --> 00:18:34.910
do you think John
has been lying about

00:18:34.952 --> 00:18:36.870
how he got the Insectarium?

00:18:37.913 --> 00:18:38.914
It's black and white.

00:18:40.791 --> 00:18:44.753
John had a plan and took this

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all from Steve.

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Would it surprise you to learn

00:18:59.518 --> 00:19:01.186
that Chrissy has told us that

00:19:01.311 --> 00:19:04.857
she regrets testifying on John's behalf?

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No, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Can I give you this actually? Even better.

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He uses people.

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He does what he wants to do.

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Looking back,

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it was very obvious.

00:19:20.038 --> 00:19:21.915
Now, it wasn't
obvious at the time

00:19:21.957 --> 00:19:23.500
because I believe in people.

00:19:25.043 --> 00:19:27.838
This is my business for 46 years.

00:19:28.589 --> 00:19:31.341
John's game plan
was to get me out

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and to take the museum from me,

00:19:33.385 --> 00:19:35.971
and that's what he ended up doing.

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I just remember,

00:19:39.558 --> 00:19:42.561
before Steve was even gone,

00:19:42.644 --> 00:19:44.646
John absolutely bragged

00:19:44.730 --> 00:19:48.108
that he was going to be
running the Insectarium

00:19:48.192 --> 00:19:50.652
and it... would do

00:19:50.694 --> 00:19:52.362
anything to do it.

00:19:52.946 --> 00:19:56.283
It's safe to assume that

00:19:56.366 --> 00:19:58.285
this was an orchestrated effort.

00:19:59.077 --> 00:20:00.162
John had recruited his parents

00:20:00.204 --> 00:20:01.747
as confederates

00:20:01.830 --> 00:20:04.041
to take over the Insectarium.

00:20:07.419 --> 00:20:10.255
May of I think 2016,

00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:12.883
when I was trying to open up
a butterfly pavilion,

00:20:12.925 --> 00:20:14.927
I had to come up with the financing.

00:20:15.010 --> 00:20:17.596
He came to me and said, "Look, Steve",

00:20:17.721 --> 00:20:19.806
"I can get the building refinanced,

00:20:19.890 --> 00:20:21.683
but they don't want it in your name."

00:20:21.767 --> 00:20:22.434
And at that time,

00:20:22.476 --> 00:20:24.561
I had a little trouble
with my credit,

00:20:24.603 --> 00:20:25.896
so he had a better score.

00:20:25.938 --> 00:20:27.105
And I said, "Okay, fine."

00:20:27.689 --> 00:20:29.107
He was taking my shares

00:20:29.149 --> 00:20:30.359
for the sole purpose

00:20:30.442 --> 00:20:33.237
of refinancing the building.

00:20:34.196 --> 00:20:35.822
As soon as we get the financing,

00:20:35.948 --> 00:20:37.616
I get my shares and stock back.

00:20:37.699 --> 00:20:39.451
At least that's what I believed.

00:20:40.118 --> 00:20:42.329
Okay, things were going okay

00:20:42.371 --> 00:20:43.789
and, you know, no problems

00:20:46.166 --> 00:20:48.001
until I got two phone calls

00:20:48.001 --> 00:20:50.504
from two suppliers.

00:20:50.587 --> 00:20:51.296
And, "Hey, Steve,

00:20:51.338 --> 00:20:52.297
I'm sure you're just overworked,

00:20:52.339 --> 00:20:54.841
but we haven't been paid for
on this invoice."

00:20:54.925 --> 00:20:56.843
And then I looked at the deposits,

00:20:59.096 --> 00:21:01.974
and I was missing $19,000.

00:21:02.015 --> 00:21:04.685
So then I found out

00:21:04.768 --> 00:21:08.063
that they were making deposits

00:21:08.105 --> 00:21:09.856
over at Wells Fargo.

00:21:09.940 --> 00:21:11.400
And I said, "I want printouts."

00:21:11.483 --> 00:21:12.567
And they said, "Mr. Kanya,

00:21:12.609 --> 00:21:14.569
you're not an authorized
signature on it."

00:21:16.154 --> 00:21:18.907
I go back to the office.

00:21:19.491 --> 00:21:21.868
John comes in, and I said,

00:21:21.910 --> 00:21:23.161
"What's going on?

00:21:23.245 --> 00:21:25.789
I'm missing 18... $19,000."

00:21:25.831 --> 00:21:27.666
He says, well, F you, you know,

00:21:27.749 --> 00:21:29.501
and that's when things
started getting bad.

00:21:31.169 --> 00:21:32.921
I come back the next day,

00:21:32.963 --> 00:21:34.673
and my office is empty.

00:21:35.632 --> 00:21:37.509
John told if anybody
talks to Steve,

00:21:37.551 --> 00:21:38.176
they're fired.

00:21:39.011 --> 00:21:40.220
He is the new owner,

00:21:40.220 --> 00:21:41.179
and if I come in,

00:21:41.179 --> 00:21:42.347
I'm trespassing,

00:21:42.347 --> 00:21:43.807
and to call the police.

00:21:46.476 --> 00:21:47.936
I would come in the next day,

00:21:47.978 --> 00:21:49.688
the following day,
and everything else

00:21:49.771 --> 00:21:51.690
because it's my building.

00:21:52.482 --> 00:21:54.192
And he said, "Get the F out."

00:21:54.276 --> 00:21:57.112
He said, "Keep showing

00:21:57.154 --> 00:21:58.071
up, I'm gonna...
I'm gonna kill you."

00:21:58.155 --> 00:21:59.823
He said, "I'm gonna kill you."

00:22:00.490 --> 00:22:01.199
Then I went,

00:22:01.199 --> 00:22:03.368
contacted attorneys and stuff,

00:22:03.452 --> 00:22:04.995
and found out that
he Photoshopped

00:22:05.037 --> 00:22:07.456
my name on different documents

00:22:07.539 --> 00:22:09.041
with my signature,

00:22:09.041 --> 00:22:11.043
which of course
was Photoshopped.

00:22:13.003 --> 00:22:14.296
Did that come up in the trial?

00:22:14.379 --> 00:22:15.380
Absolutely.

00:22:16.715 --> 00:22:18.925
It turns out he was
taking my shares

00:22:18.925 --> 00:22:20.135
to take my company.

00:22:21.345 --> 00:22:23.722
And with that,
John went to court

00:22:23.764 --> 00:22:25.390
and won everything.

00:22:26.391 --> 00:22:28.393
Chrissy followed John.

00:22:29.019 --> 00:22:32.522
She testified that she's the one
that seen me steal money.

00:22:32.564 --> 00:22:34.232
He had them convinced that

00:22:34.232 --> 00:22:36.193
I was involved in the Kennedy assassination.

00:22:36.234 --> 00:22:37.903
I started the Vietnam War.

00:22:37.986 --> 00:22:38.987
That's what happened.

00:22:39.029 --> 00:22:40.030
He took it all.

00:22:41.239 --> 00:22:42.574
Everybody, every attorney,

00:22:42.574 --> 00:22:44.076
everybody that's read it said

00:22:44.159 --> 00:22:45.077
this thing has been planned

00:22:45.118 --> 00:22:46.787
for a long, long time.

00:22:58.590 --> 00:23:00.425
At this point in time,

00:23:00.467 --> 00:23:03.345
I do feel really bad for Steve.

00:23:03.428 --> 00:23:06.264
Uh, he had something
that he worked

00:23:06.306 --> 00:23:08.433
his whole life on
taken from him.

00:23:08.517 --> 00:23:12.145
Uh, just because somebody else wanted it

00:23:12.229 --> 00:23:13.688
and thought they could do it better.

00:23:14.231 --> 00:23:16.358
You are being removed
from this facility

00:23:16.441 --> 00:23:18.318
and from any administrative duties.

00:23:18.402 --> 00:23:19.861
He ruined my wife,

00:23:19.903 --> 00:23:22.364
me, and our children's lives.

00:23:22.656 --> 00:23:23.698
Call the police again.

00:23:24.783 --> 00:23:25.951
He deserves to be arrested.

00:23:27.452 --> 00:23:29.287
He deserves a lot worse than that.

00:23:40.298 --> 00:23:42.300
So I gotta fill in some holes

00:23:42.342 --> 00:23:44.594
from the first interview.

00:23:45.470 --> 00:23:46.346
We just got to get

00:23:46.471 --> 00:23:47.931
- the frigging facts straight.
- Yeah.

00:23:48.140 --> 00:23:49.516
Steve claims that

00:23:49.641 --> 00:23:51.476
you made like $18,000 to $19,000

00:23:51.518 --> 00:23:53.937
of unauthorized deposits

00:23:53.979 --> 00:23:55.564
into a Wells Fargo account

00:23:55.564 --> 00:23:57.023
that was your account.

00:23:57.482 --> 00:23:59.568
Like that's like a factual thing, right?

00:23:59.651 --> 00:24:00.986
I mean, it's one or the other.

00:24:00.986 --> 00:24:02.154
Is he mistaken

00:24:02.195 --> 00:24:03.655
or is he lying to try

00:24:03.655 --> 00:24:05.866
and get you in trouble? Like...

00:24:05.949 --> 00:24:07.659
Yes, he's definitely lying.

00:24:07.742 --> 00:24:08.994
But also how often,

00:24:08.994 --> 00:24:10.996
when someone tells you something

00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:12.664
and they seem confident

00:24:12.706 --> 00:24:13.665
and they seem knowledgeable,

00:24:13.748 --> 00:24:16.126
do you actually check their facts?

00:24:19.546 --> 00:24:20.589
Did you threaten to kill him

00:24:20.630 --> 00:24:22.007
if he kept showing up here?

00:24:22.090 --> 00:24:23.592
No, I did not... what?

00:24:23.675 --> 00:24:25.260
No, I didn't threaten to kill him.

00:24:28.346 --> 00:24:29.598
I wanna... I wanna move on

00:24:29.639 --> 00:24:31.308
to some other stuff.

00:24:31.349 --> 00:24:34.311
So, several employees have told us

00:24:34.352 --> 00:24:37.022
that money is being taken out

00:24:37.022 --> 00:24:38.523
of IBP accounts,

00:24:38.648 --> 00:24:41.359
going into your other businesses

00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:44.029
as well as paying
for personal items.

00:24:44.070 --> 00:24:45.864
That's a ridiculous accusation.

00:24:45.906 --> 00:24:47.574
I'm not sure how any employees

00:24:47.616 --> 00:24:49.284
would have access
to that information.

00:24:51.411 --> 00:24:52.704
Do we have coffee?

00:24:52.829 --> 00:24:55.207
Um, sure. Um, okay...

00:24:56.041 --> 00:24:59.169
Let's switch gears for a second.

00:25:03.965 --> 00:25:04.966
Thank you.

00:25:05.008 --> 00:25:07.802
So in this FOIA dump,

00:25:07.886 --> 00:25:10.222
there's a bunch of different affidavits

00:25:10.263 --> 00:25:11.932
from people,

00:25:12.015 --> 00:25:14.851
and one of them
is from Detective Zanetich.

00:25:15.435 --> 00:25:16.645
"I found multiple
inconsistencies

00:25:16.686 --> 00:25:17.896
in the statements

00:25:17.896 --> 00:25:19.105
of all parties involved

00:25:19.231 --> 00:25:20.565
"which led me to believe that

00:25:20.565 --> 00:25:21.274
the reported theft

00:25:21.316 --> 00:25:22.442
was exaggerated

00:25:22.526 --> 00:25:24.444
"either for the purpose
of insurance claims

00:25:24.528 --> 00:25:26.154
or for the benefit
of cash donations

00:25:26.196 --> 00:25:27.364
given to IBP."

00:25:29.324 --> 00:25:31.451
I disagree with Zanetich.

00:25:32.077 --> 00:25:34.746
So, I mean, Zanetich
obviously didn't really...

00:25:34.829 --> 00:25:35.372
Yeah.

00:25:35.413 --> 00:25:36.915
Find you credible, um,

00:25:37.040 --> 00:25:38.750
but there's a
lot of other stuff.

00:25:38.750 --> 00:25:40.418
I mean, here's
another affidavit.

00:25:40.544 --> 00:25:42.420
This person's an animal care person.

00:25:42.546 --> 00:25:43.421
"I was aware

00:25:43.421 --> 00:25:44.965
of the giant African land snail

00:25:45.090 --> 00:25:47.342
"that was kept in the rearing room at IBP,

00:25:47.425 --> 00:25:48.885
everyone knew it was there."

00:25:50.262 --> 00:25:51.596
I... no, I can only

00:25:51.638 --> 00:25:54.599
say this is false.

00:25:54.641 --> 00:25:56.059
It's tough... it's tough...

00:25:56.101 --> 00:25:57.435
Like it's hard to believe

00:25:57.561 --> 00:25:59.896
that all these people are making this up.

00:26:01.064 --> 00:26:03.316
Either it's all of these people

00:26:03.358 --> 00:26:04.943
who aren't being truthful

00:26:04.985 --> 00:26:07.821
or it's you who's not being truthful.

00:26:10.031 --> 00:26:11.449
I'm gonna take a break.

00:26:14.536 --> 00:26:15.954
We don't... we don't have
much left if you wanna just...

00:26:15.996 --> 00:26:17.289
That's unfortunate.

00:26:28.216 --> 00:26:29.926
Go ahead, John, and sit down.

00:26:36.182 --> 00:26:37.642
How do you feel that like

00:26:37.726 --> 00:26:40.020
you call the cops

00:26:40.061 --> 00:26:42.355
on Chris and Alison?

00:26:42.647 --> 00:26:43.815
Cops and FBI

00:26:43.857 --> 00:26:44.899
show up their house,

00:26:44.899 --> 00:26:46.443
threatened them years in jail.

00:26:46.484 --> 00:26:48.695
Things certainly

00:26:48.737 --> 00:26:50.447
got a lot more escalated

00:26:50.488 --> 00:26:53.199
than we ever anticipated,

00:26:54.284 --> 00:26:57.454
but I would not want to see

00:26:57.495 --> 00:27:00.832
Chris or Alison go to jail at all.

00:27:03.126 --> 00:27:04.836
It is what it is.

00:27:05.003 --> 00:27:06.046
But holy shit,

00:27:06.087 --> 00:27:09.341
did it spiral into
something big.

00:27:12.510 --> 00:27:14.638
How did all this impact your life?

00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:17.432
How did it affect you?

00:27:17.515 --> 00:27:20.268
Did it affect professional careers?

00:27:20.352 --> 00:27:23.021
So, my dream has always been

00:27:23.063 --> 00:27:25.231
to be a zookeeper,

00:27:25.732 --> 00:27:28.401
um, especially with invertebrates,

00:27:28.985 --> 00:27:30.779
and that was all taken from me.

00:27:32.781 --> 00:27:35.575
It literally... it ruined me.

00:27:38.078 --> 00:27:40.205
It's like we... we have

00:27:40.205 --> 00:27:42.082
this huge black
spot on our lives,

00:27:42.165 --> 00:27:45.752
and it just made me
feel constantly unsafe.

00:27:50.048 --> 00:27:52.050
And here's Life Magazine.

00:27:59.933 --> 00:28:01.559
Do I pray that I get it back?

00:28:01.601 --> 00:28:02.727
Yes.

00:28:02.852 --> 00:28:04.771
Do I hope that I get it back?

00:28:04.896 --> 00:28:06.106
Absolutely.

00:28:06.606 --> 00:28:08.024
If I had a really good lawyer,

00:28:08.066 --> 00:28:09.776
I'd probably have it back,

00:28:09.901 --> 00:28:11.695
but I can't afford a lawyer.

00:28:13.363 --> 00:28:15.031
All my income stopped.

00:28:16.241 --> 00:28:19.744
My son, who has a very good job,

00:28:20.245 --> 00:28:20.954
and my daughter,

00:28:20.995 --> 00:28:23.123
they help me out financially.

00:28:23.790 --> 00:28:25.417
How embarrassing is that?

00:28:28.044 --> 00:28:30.296
My house is approximately
12 minutes away

00:28:30.338 --> 00:28:32.590
from the Insectarium,

00:28:33.007 --> 00:28:35.093
so I drive by there all the time.

00:28:36.010 --> 00:28:38.388
And what I see there,

00:28:38.430 --> 00:28:40.265
it actually makes me sick.

00:28:42.976 --> 00:28:45.186
That used to be our back parking lot.

00:28:47.397 --> 00:28:48.940
I'm 67 years old.

00:28:49.023 --> 00:28:50.859
In 67 years,

00:28:52.610 --> 00:28:54.779
I personally have never hated anybody.

00:28:56.156 --> 00:28:57.907
I hate John.

00:29:03.580 --> 00:29:04.831
The case is inactive.

00:29:04.956 --> 00:29:06.791
If I got further
evidence of a crime,

00:29:06.833 --> 00:29:08.543
I would reopen it in a second.

00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.171
We could open it up for fraud

00:29:11.212 --> 00:29:12.589
or false statements to police.

00:29:12.630 --> 00:29:13.923
False reporting is a crime.

00:29:13.965 --> 00:29:15.759
It's very difficult to prove,

00:29:15.800 --> 00:29:16.468
but it is a crime.

00:29:18.261 --> 00:29:20.180
I reached out to the USDA,

00:29:20.305 --> 00:29:22.182
and they told me the investigation
is still active

00:29:22.182 --> 00:29:24.809
and it's just moving up
the federal chain of command.

00:29:24.851 --> 00:29:26.227
So they might also

00:29:26.227 --> 00:29:28.146
still be pursuing this case?

00:29:28.271 --> 00:29:29.314
They may be.

00:29:30.648 --> 00:29:31.983
I know the truth,

00:29:32.609 --> 00:29:33.651
but taking the truth

00:29:33.651 --> 00:29:34.903
to the judge is different.

00:29:34.986 --> 00:29:36.404
I know what happened.

00:29:37.030 --> 00:29:38.323
There's a difference between

00:29:38.323 --> 00:29:40.158
what I know and
what I can prove.

00:29:47.290 --> 00:29:49.876
What's a happy ending
to this story?

00:29:52.545 --> 00:29:54.547
I hope that all of the people

00:29:54.631 --> 00:29:58.343
who, uh, have been involved in this place

00:30:01.054 --> 00:30:02.806
will somehow take
that experience

00:30:02.806 --> 00:30:04.808
and use it to their
benefit in the future.

00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:16.611
It's, um... it's been

00:30:16.653 --> 00:30:20.323
quite a journey for sure.

00:30:22.450 --> 00:30:23.952
What's going on today?

00:30:24.035 --> 00:30:26.454
Um, today is my last day.

00:30:26.538 --> 00:30:27.664
Yep, yep, yep.

00:30:27.705 --> 00:30:29.999
So, realized how much the place

00:30:29.999 --> 00:30:32.210
was like taking from me,

00:30:32.335 --> 00:30:34.462
and I realized like I need to find a place

00:30:34.546 --> 00:30:37.715
that I have the ability
to grow and expand.

00:30:41.469 --> 00:30:43.012
I've been going back and forth about it

00:30:43.054 --> 00:30:46.140
because of the amount of stress and stuff,

00:30:46.224 --> 00:30:47.934
and it's one of the reasons

00:30:47.976 --> 00:30:49.686
why I can't be a
part of it anymore.

00:30:50.687 --> 00:30:51.896
All right.

00:30:51.980 --> 00:30:52.897
Am I really leaving?

00:30:52.939 --> 00:30:53.565
Is this happening?

00:30:53.565 --> 00:30:54.649
Okay.

00:30:54.732 --> 00:30:55.441
I love you again. Here.

00:30:55.483 --> 00:30:56.818
I love you guys.

00:30:56.901 --> 00:30:57.986
Love you again.

00:30:57.986 --> 00:30:59.070
It's for real.

00:30:59.153 --> 00:31:00.280
- You know that, okay?
- Yeah.

00:31:00.363 --> 00:31:02.240
I got your back with everything.

00:31:18.673 --> 00:31:20.633
IBP can be

00:31:20.633 --> 00:31:23.261
one of the most amazing museums.

00:31:24.095 --> 00:31:26.598
My most favorite experience

00:31:26.598 --> 00:31:28.349
is they would walk
through those doors,

00:31:28.933 --> 00:31:31.936
and they would walk into
this Butterfly Pavilion,

00:31:32.020 --> 00:31:33.146
and these butterflies

00:31:33.146 --> 00:31:34.939
would just be flying around,

00:31:35.023 --> 00:31:36.941
and they could see the beauty of nature.

00:31:37.775 --> 00:31:40.445
To be able to offer that to any child

00:31:40.528 --> 00:31:41.613
or even adult,

00:31:41.613 --> 00:31:43.197
the place was magical.

00:31:44.532 --> 00:31:46.701
We've done make a wish things for people

00:31:46.784 --> 00:31:48.953
that are on their last dying day

00:31:49.037 --> 00:31:51.497
to have that butterfly fly around them,

00:31:53.291 --> 00:31:54.626
and that is real.

00:31:55.501 --> 00:31:57.337
That's why I fight for that place.

00:32:00.506 --> 00:32:04.260
John is not going to destroy this place,

00:32:04.344 --> 00:32:07.972
and I am not done fighting.

00:32:18.483 --> 00:32:19.192
At this point,

00:32:19.192 --> 00:32:20.568
I've kind of made my choices,

00:32:20.652 --> 00:32:21.653
and I hope to not make

00:32:21.694 --> 00:32:23.988
the same mistakes that I did

00:32:24.072 --> 00:32:26.658
which led me to the end of this story.

00:32:28.826 --> 00:32:30.328
I wanna see this thing through,

00:32:30.411 --> 00:32:32.330
and I've worked hard to try

00:32:32.330 --> 00:32:35.249
and find a way to adapt.

00:32:38.294 --> 00:32:39.504
Insects are fascinating.

00:32:39.629 --> 00:32:42.131
They're able to adapt
to their environment.

00:32:42.173 --> 00:32:43.466
Yeah, there's tons up here.

00:32:44.550 --> 00:32:45.718
Whoa!

00:32:46.344 --> 00:32:48.554
Do you see them
just like coming off the tree?

00:32:50.682 --> 00:32:53.184
Is that trait of adaptability

00:32:53.226 --> 00:32:54.310
one that you revere?

00:32:54.394 --> 00:32:55.395
Absolutely.

00:32:55.478 --> 00:32:56.729
They're good role models.

00:32:58.940 --> 00:33:00.274
And I'm still here.

00:33:01.901 --> 00:33:04.278
So, yeah, I'm gonna keep fighting.