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It's August 24th, 2018,

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and I'm at work

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at the Philadelphia Insectarium

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and Butterfly Pavilion.

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I walk out onto the
floor and the tanks

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don't have creatures in them.

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I went to the back room

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and that thing was empty.

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Shelves and shelves and shelves
that should have been filled

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with creatures aplenty were empty.

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And there's kind of this
just like moment of like...

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Philadelphia police are bugged

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by a theft at a local
science museum.

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High-priced heist

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from the Philadelphia
Insectarium.

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Tens of thousands

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of dollars' worth of
bugs were stolen.

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They, they took everything, millipedes,

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centipedes,
scorpions, tarantulas,

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mantids, and grasshoppers.

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You name it.

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Now police
are searching for those creatures.

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Police detectives

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have been interviewing
potential suspects.

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You know, I get why people steal,

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but what's the plan
after a theft like this?

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People may not realize it

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but insects are
worth a lot of money.

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Police said

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the insects are
worth up to $50,000.

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So who is trying...

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like this feels very like...

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Could there be
collectors out there?

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I mean, could there be a...

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No. No.

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Well, no, but I bet
they're farming...

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Could there be an
underground market

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for this sort of thing?

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Yes.

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The insect hobby has grown.

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The big money people
from around the world

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see something and
they wanna have it.

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The hobby is addictive.

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It's a strange world.

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You go to these super remote places

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and keep hunting and collecting

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and finding the next thing.

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You see anything?

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That's what these
collectors want,

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the next thing no one else has

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or the, the, the latest thing
that's been discovered.

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Trying to understand
the collector's mentality

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probably requires a psychology degree.

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There are those
people in the world

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who will do anything
to make sure

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they can get their hands
on something like that.

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And that is where
the black market

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gets rather nefarious.

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The black market of animals,
it's a big one.

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And it's a scary one.

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Somebody called me
on the phone and say,

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"Hey, man, you
better be careful."

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There is a huge criminal element

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to the wildlife trade.

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And bugs are right up there

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with everything else.

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Smuggling everything
from insects to tigers

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generates billions of dollars a year.

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The more dangerous it is to get,

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the more illegal,

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the price goes up.

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American officers,

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investigators,

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these are the people
that are our archenemies.

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If you commit a wildlife crime,

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we will come after you

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and we will catch you

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and we will put you in jail.

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Somehow this world may have
found its way into the museum.

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But this was not just a heist.

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We're talking about
embezzlement,

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financial malfeasance,

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the theft of millions
of dollars' worth of things.

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It was more.

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It was more.

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Call the police again.

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You should probably stop filming.

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My name is Dr. John Cambridge,

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and I'm the CEO
of the Philadelphia

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Insectarium and
Butterfly Pavilion.

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Now!

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From a young age,

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we're taught to fear insects.

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Or, at least, think that bugs are gross.

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Haven't you heard about the roaches?

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They're devouring people whole.

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Just look at TV and movies.

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Bugs! Bugs!

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Not the bees!

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And it is a shame because

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it's important for
people to understand

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how reliant we are on insects

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and the ecosystem
services they provide,

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like clean water and decomposition

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and pollination.

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Bugs are nature's little workers.

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And we take these
things for granted

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in our day-to-day lives.

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I love the variety of species

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and the perfect adaptation.

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I love my leaf insects.

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I'm just really
into invertebrates.

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Now, it turns out there is a thriving

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world of people who

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love these creatures.

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Stunning.

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Look at that.

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Though there are a number

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of different levels
of enthusiasm.

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They can be really cute and funny.

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There's that person

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who wants to go to
school to learn about

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the behaviors of a particular damselfly

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or there's people

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who want to have
a super cool pet

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to show their friends.

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Insects are fascinating.

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And it is both fun and important

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that people learn about them.

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The Insectarium is more than

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just a science museum.

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It's like that first contact

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where kids learn

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about the workhorses of nature.

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We are the ambassadors of nature.

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We wanna teach people

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to appreciate these things

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which they might take for granted.

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And that's exactly what we were doing.

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At least, until the heist happened.

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I'm fascinated by the story,

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because, you know,

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you always say news is new

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because it's new.

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- I have never done this one.
- Nope.

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Tens of thousands
of dollars' worth of bugs...

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- Uh-hmm.
- Was stolen from a bug museum.

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We had spent the
last several years

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building one of
the most diverse,

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interactive arthropod zoos in the country,

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and now it was empty.

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And what do you do?

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I remember sitting
in the, the police station

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like trying to describe exactly
what had happened,

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and there's just like people like

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peering over the cubicle like, "What?"

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Some thefts are strange.

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Domestics can be strange.

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But I don't think
there's anything

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as strange as bugs being stolen.

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My name is Mike Zanetich.

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I'm a detective
with the Philadelphia Police Department.

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We've investigated here

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everything from petty thefts

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to armed robberies,

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homicides, rapes.

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Pretty much cover the whole gamut.

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I have never investigated

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anything with bugs
before this one.

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Who on Earth reports
that their bugs were stolen?

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The first thing we did

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is me and my partner,

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we went to the Insectarium

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a couple hours

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after the initial
report was made.

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We took a couple photos

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and we were just trying

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to get the property
back and returned

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to the owner as
soon as possible.

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When we put together
the list of stolen insects

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for the detectives,
the staff was devastated.

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Up here on the third floor,

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it was empty.

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It flips you out upside your head when,

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you know, these are
animals that I've been

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working with for
a period of time.

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They were tarantulas that were mine
that were gone, you know?

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And that... that... that was sad.

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When I went upstairs and realized

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that all the stuff was stolen,

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I felt completely overwhelmed
and I was like,

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"This is where we're at.

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This is serious."

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My friend was like,

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"Your job is on the news."

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I was like,

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"What did you mean
my job is on the news?

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What is going on?"

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I have people coming up to me
on the street going,

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"What happened at the Insectarium?"

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Whenever I'm just doing my job,

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they ask me, "What
happened here?"

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I was on Tinder and then they were like,

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"Hey, so I heard you were
at the Insectarium.

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What happened during that bug heist?"

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Like I can get out of it.

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That first day,

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we started knocking on doors,

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we start making phone calls.

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And then Jimmy Kimmel
makes his joke on the Late Show.

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A terrifying story out of Philadelphia,

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the City of Brotherly Love,

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where the citizenry fell victim

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to one of the most unusual robberies ever,

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the largest live insect heist in history.

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Maybe the only
live insect heist in history.

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I don't know.

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But thousands of
bugs have been stolen

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from the Philadelphia
Insectarium.

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And the job exploded.

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CEO John Cambridge...

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John Cambridge...

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John Cambridge...

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News Media, Channel 6, 6 ABC.

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It's on Yahoo. It's on Google.

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We've got exotic creatures

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from all over the
world up there.

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I remember Channel 6 came in

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and I remember Fox.

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John Cambridge, you run this place?

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We were not expecting anything

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and then all of a sudden

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we had people shooting videos

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and interviews every day,

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multiple times a day.

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We received insect donations.

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And it was awesome.

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It was rather
shocking that anyone

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paid any attention
to the theft here.

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If you have any information

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about the stolen bugs,

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you're asked to call police.

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A GoFundMe page

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has been created
for the Insectarium.

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Orkin was kind enough to donate.

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The Orkin Pest Control Company

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donated $10,000 to the museum.

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Because of one joke

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that was said on a
late night TV show,

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all the upper levels
of the police department,

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I mean, through the
whole city government

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start getting involved.

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And it just spread like wildfire
from that point.

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The most venomous spider on Earth

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has been stolen from this exhibit.

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A deadly sand spider

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that buries itself under sand,

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ready to ambush its next victim.

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There's a tweet on the subject of warning.

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It says, "If you
see this six-eyed

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sand spider that
is highly venomous,

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please let the
Philadelphia Insectarium know."

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Trust me, I'll let them know.

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Probably with a loud
and very girlish scream, so...

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When the police
brass heard about it,

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and it was all hands on deck.

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- Oh, my God.
- That one is still missing.

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If it was to bite someone,

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yes, it could rot
25% of their body.

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There were actually
members of the police department

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suggesting that spider

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could be used in crimes.

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That this spider could be thrown

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on somebody in
an act of terrorism.

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There might have been
a little bit of panic.

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Are these bugs somewhere?

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Are they gonna hurt people?

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Are they poisonous? Things like that.

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The USDA and the FBI came in.

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We had them get moving
with the investigation.

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We had to call for expert advice.

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Once something
hits the news like that,

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it becomes a national story,

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jokes on late night TV,

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there's definitely
pressure to solve it.

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This is not over

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until we get those
creatures back.

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My name's Jim Maxwell.

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I'm a private investigator,

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a security consultant.

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I started as an FBI

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special agent in 1982

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and I've held that position until 2006.

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Most metropolitan
police departments

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have a huge caseload,

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and the help of a private investigator
can be instrumental

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in solving certain bizarre
and complicated crimes.

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I was brought in to try to fill

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in the blanks on
this investigation.

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On this particular case,

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I met with Lieutenant Dennis Rosenbaum.

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To handle a case like this,

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it's important to identify

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the group of people

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that would have an interest

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in dealing in this
type of commodity,

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in this case insects.

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These bugs are specialty items.

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You're not gonna
be able to sell this

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on a street corner to anybody.

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You have to have
a venue of people

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that wanna buy these things.

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Some people collect symbols

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and some people collect bugs.

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Director: When did you start
to have a love for bugs?

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Um... oh, Aragog.

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Oh. Aragog pooped on me.

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Hey, babe. Okay.

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All right. So when

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I was very young,

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I started learning about insects.

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Insects were always my passion.

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I'd like to do a video today

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of some tarantulas
that I am selling.

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This is a really cool jumping spider.

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And there she goes.

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There is an established network

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of these people who
are bug enthusiasts.

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And you're always gonna find
somebody willing to pay

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almost anything

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if they want it bad enough.

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There is no good way to pinpoint

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or to describe
what a bug lover is.

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It's a spectrum of people.

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My name is Brent Karner.

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I've been working
in the bug trading

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business now for about a decade.

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It ranges from
hobbyist that just like

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to catch a bug in their backyard

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or maybe like to keep
a caterpillar in a jar and watch it

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turn into a butterfly

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all the way to people

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who have meticulous collections

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of millions and millions of specimens

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that they've acquired or collected
over a lifetime that they study

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or sometimes just
keep in ways that

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people keep coin
or stamp collections.

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When we looked at this case,

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you kind of understand

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that people collect them.

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Not that I ever knew anybody

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who had a tarantula

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but you knew that
they were out there

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and people collected them.

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But on the level that it's done,

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you just was unaware.

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We were kind of like out of our element.

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Detective Zanetich reached out
to the outside world and said,

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"I need someone
that knows about this stuff."

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There are bug lovers throughout the world.

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South America is different than Africa.

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Is different than
Southeast Asia.

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Is different than in
the Arctic Region.

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Well Japan, live beetles

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have become a very popular item

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for collectors
and just hobbyists

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who wanna keep a
beetle pet at home.

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In Europe,

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their live walking stick
trade is quite big.

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There are treasures

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in all of these places.

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And for the consummate collector,

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they often want as
many representatives

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of what they like
from around the world.

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There are also things
that you wouldn't

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expect that people
would do with bugs.

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Some Madagascar
hissing cockroaches

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are used as jewelry.

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They'll take hot glue

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and they'll glue gems
all over these roaches.

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And then they'll glue a chain to them

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and a pin so that you can pin

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their chain to your shirt

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and have this bejeweled roach

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crawl around your shoulder.

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Over in China and Japan

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where these like
large Hercules beetles

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can be found readily,

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they will use them
to fight each other.

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Some of those fighting matches

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can be worth money.

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In some cases, the collectors are obsessed

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with getting certain types of specimens,

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and they're willing to spend
enormous amounts of money

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and go to great lengths to obtain them.

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Hi. My name is Kelvin

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and I am an insect hobbyist.

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I actually started
collecting insects

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before I worked
at the Insectarium.

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Insects are probably
one of the most

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misunderstood
animals in the world.

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There's a lot of errors
and misinformation.

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I just love
the sheer biodiversity of them.

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I mean, there is over

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400,000 species
of beetles alone.

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I have a whole bunch of different species.

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Over the years,

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it has amassed
into a large collection

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where I keep in my basement

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where I breed insects

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of various species.

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I get my insects
from a couple of different sources.

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Some come from online.

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Some come from friends
who I've met on Instagram.

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These individuals,

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they're buying and selling
on the internet.

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And most of them

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are legitimate collectors.

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I keep probably a hundred,
hundred and twenty

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different species of tarantulas.

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I've got stuff from the small...
world's smallest species

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all the way up
to some of the world's largest.

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I generally sell to a lot of enthusiasts.

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And our hobby has
grown in the US,

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some people want
some of these things.

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For example, one egg sack

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can produce two thousand babies,

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and that's still sellable.

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More and more people
are getting into the hobby

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and expanding their own collections.

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It's accessible.

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You don't need a lot of space.

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You don't require a lot of extra things.

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It is a very, very addictive hobby.

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We were thinking

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the person who did this crime

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knew about that world of bugs.

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Early on,

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we found out most of the staff

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had an avid interest in collecting bugs.

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Thefts, in my experience,

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it's usually 50% of the time

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an inside job, if not greater.

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We started directing
our focus on the employees.

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The list grew to
the dozen people

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that had to be investigated.

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At this point, everyone's a suspect.

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Even though
the Philadelphia Police Department

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doesn't necessarily have a bug division,

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the investigation remains the same.

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They conduct interviews,

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follow-up leads,

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and followed this case

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to a logical conclusion.

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The first place we go in
in these types of job

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is to the insiders, the employees,

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the people who know the value of items.

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There was the idea that these insects
could have been stolen

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for the suspects to profit.

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One of the most
expensive insects that we lost

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during the insect heist

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was a colony of rhino roaches.

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You know, these things can go
up to 500 bucks a breeding pair.

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For a pair of roaches, $500.

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Philadelphia Police Department

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did everything by the numbers.

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They conducted interviews

00:19:21.166 --> 00:19:24.041
and started the process of elimination.

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We usually start off

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by sitting the victim down,

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interviewing the victim,

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find out exactly what happened.

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We talked to John Cambridge
regarding the incident.

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He seemed like a smart enough guy.

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He seemed to be working hard

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to build the business.

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I was interviewed several times

00:19:45.041 --> 00:19:46.833
in regards to the bug heist.

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Chrissy was interviewed.

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She cared about the business

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was the biggest thing I noticed.

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She's given a tremendous amount.

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The number of weeks
that she hasn't received a paycheck.

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The number of times

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she's had to put stuff on her
own credit card.

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Chrissy bleeds for this place.

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I've committed so much time

00:20:09.166 --> 00:20:10.750
and energy and
effort into this place.

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Chrissy is the order.

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I am the chaos.

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She has been glue.

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I almost feel like the plan was to just

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steal everything and destroy this place.

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Director: Why would anyone do this?

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I... don't have
an answer for you

00:20:28.916 --> 00:20:31.166
of why they would do it.

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I mean, I'm not a criminal

00:20:32.625 --> 00:20:33.958
so I don't think
like a criminal.

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We realized Chrissy was not a suspect.

00:20:36.916 --> 00:20:37.958
Chrissy seem to sincerely care

00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:39.625
about the business.

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A lot of these employees
love that business.

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Director: So when did
you first hear about the heist?

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I received a text.

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I was in the airport,

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on the way to Michigan.

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And it's funny

00:20:54.375 --> 00:20:56.041
'cause they chose
the perfect weekend.

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Myself, Chrissy, and John

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were all out of the building
that weekend.

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I was in Michigan on a girls' weekend,

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Chrissy was on a rafting trip,

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and John was out of the state.

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Director: So then,

00:21:13.708 --> 00:21:15.000
who was in the building?

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It was mostly animal care staff,

00:21:17.666 --> 00:21:19.416
with a couple of other people.

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The animal care department

00:21:22.125 --> 00:21:23.416
has a lot on their plate.

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They have to like take care

00:21:25.500 --> 00:21:26.583
and feed so many animals.

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We make sure all the animals

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are happy and healthy.

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We also guide tours for schools and camps.

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We prepare the animals for travel shows.

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We make salads for the lizards,

00:21:39.041 --> 00:21:41.583
feed all the arachnids, all the insects,

00:21:41.666 --> 00:21:42.875
chop up carrots,

00:21:42.916 --> 00:21:45.166
whatever the
animals' diet needs.

00:21:47.666 --> 00:21:49.250
It seemed like a
lot of these kids,

00:21:49.250 --> 00:21:50.416
they all love these bugs.

00:21:51.208 --> 00:21:53.541
Maybe they wanted
the insects for their

00:21:53.583 --> 00:21:55.166
own personal use,
breeding, whatever.

00:21:56.541 --> 00:21:57.291
But these investigations

00:21:57.333 --> 00:21:59.000
can turn on a dime.

00:22:00.541 --> 00:22:01.666
It became apparent,

00:22:01.708 --> 00:22:04.083
after the initial interviews,

00:22:04.166 --> 00:22:05.500
that there were conflicts

00:22:05.500 --> 00:22:08.333
between management and staff

00:22:08.416 --> 00:22:09.750
for various reasons

00:22:09.833 --> 00:22:12.500
and it was not the wholesome museum

00:22:12.583 --> 00:22:14.083
that everybody thought it was.

00:22:15.916 --> 00:22:18.583
There was definitely tension
at the Insectarium.

00:22:18.666 --> 00:22:20.541
A lot of people
in the Animal Care Department

00:22:20.625 --> 00:22:22.291
were very pissed off.

00:22:22.875 --> 00:22:26.083
The Animal Care Department
runs in the third floor.

00:22:26.166 --> 00:22:29.333
They are completely separated
from the rest of the museum.

00:22:29.416 --> 00:22:32.458
They feel like it's them
against everyone else.

00:22:32.875 --> 00:22:35.291
When I came
to the Philadelphia Insectarium,

00:22:35.375 --> 00:22:38.083
Wlodek was the Director of Animal Care.

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Wlodek is like... he's a crazy guy.

00:22:41.291 --> 00:22:44.166
I knew he was very
highly-respected by John,

00:22:44.250 --> 00:22:45.791
but he was also

00:22:45.791 --> 00:22:47.333
a hard personality to deal with

00:22:47.416 --> 00:22:49.375
and he did what he wanted to do.

00:22:50.041 --> 00:22:51.666
The Animal Care Department here

00:22:51.708 --> 00:22:53.333
has always sort of
been the problem child.

00:22:54.916 --> 00:22:56.583
One of the key elements

00:22:56.625 --> 00:22:58.541
that came out of some
of these interviews

00:22:58.625 --> 00:23:02.500
was that there was friction
between the management

00:23:02.583 --> 00:23:04.458
and the people in the Animal Care unit.

00:23:04.541 --> 00:23:05.833
It was critical to look at

00:23:05.833 --> 00:23:07.916
the next head of
the Animal Care unit

00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:10.083
after Wlodek, Chris Tomasetto.

00:23:10.583 --> 00:23:12.083
Chris was someone who had a lot

00:23:12.083 --> 00:23:15.000
of experience with husbandry

00:23:15.083 --> 00:23:16.125
and he knew how

00:23:16.125 --> 00:23:18.000
to make a very beautiful terrarium

00:23:18.083 --> 00:23:19.708
for something to live in.

00:23:20.541 --> 00:23:22.666
However

00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:24.916
he was also

00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.708
very conniving.

00:23:28.083 --> 00:23:29.166
John and Chris,

00:23:29.208 --> 00:23:31.500
I know, definitely
used to ... heads.

00:23:32.833 --> 00:23:35.291
But Chris cared about the animals a lot.

00:23:35.708 --> 00:23:37.041
It wasn't just his job.

00:23:37.083 --> 00:23:38.041
It was his hobby.

00:23:39.250 --> 00:23:41.666
Most everybody kind of

00:23:42.833 --> 00:23:44.333
kind of followed Chris.

00:23:45.541 --> 00:23:47.166
Once Chris became director,

00:23:47.166 --> 00:23:48.833
he started hiring his friends.

00:23:48.916 --> 00:23:50.625
And so he created the clique.

00:23:50.708 --> 00:23:52.500
Chris and Alison built it

00:23:52.583 --> 00:23:54.541
to take over the Animal Care Department.

00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:59.250
Alison was the
assistant director

00:23:59.291 --> 00:24:01.125
of the Animal Care unit

00:24:01.208 --> 00:24:03.416
for two years at the Insectarium.

00:24:04.916 --> 00:24:08.500
Alison worked for us
doing travel shows, schools,

00:24:08.583 --> 00:24:10.166
summer groups, everything,

00:24:10.250 --> 00:24:12.666
and created more of a

00:24:12.708 --> 00:24:14.250
hands-on opportunity

00:24:14.333 --> 00:24:17.416
for kids to get more engaged
into the science field.

00:24:19.041 --> 00:24:21.250
John kind of saw my tattoos

00:24:21.250 --> 00:24:23.416
and hired me on the spot.

00:24:23.500 --> 00:24:24.791
I was excited, you know?

00:24:24.875 --> 00:24:27.541
It was a job opportunity in a place that

00:24:27.625 --> 00:24:29.791
I've always wanted to work.

00:24:30.166 --> 00:24:33.166
And I loved it. I loved it.

00:24:33.833 --> 00:24:35.291
But that definitely changed

00:24:35.333 --> 00:24:36.833
throughout the
time that I was there.

00:24:38.791 --> 00:24:41.250
Alison was a nice coworker,

00:24:41.333 --> 00:24:43.250
but I knew the tension
was starting to build.

00:24:44.916 --> 00:24:47.083
She was a decent employee

00:24:47.166 --> 00:24:50.250
but she got mixed in
with the wrong group up there

00:24:50.333 --> 00:24:51.958
with the Animal Care Department.

00:24:52.458 --> 00:24:55.375
And they kind of transformed her
into feeling like

00:24:55.458 --> 00:24:57.625
the insectarium... were the bad people.

00:24:57.708 --> 00:25:01.208
She unfortunately picked the wrong side.

00:25:01.916 --> 00:25:04.291
Chris Tomasetto
very clearly displayed

00:25:04.375 --> 00:25:06.500
some animosity towards John.

00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.250
Alison also displayed some gripes

00:25:09.333 --> 00:25:11.125
and couldn't be disregarded

00:25:11.125 --> 00:25:12.708
as a possible
suspect in this matter.

00:25:12.791 --> 00:25:14.333
As we started to sort out

00:25:14.375 --> 00:25:17.291
the interviews of
all the employees,

00:25:19.375 --> 00:25:21.583
the Philadelphia Police Department
developed information

00:25:21.666 --> 00:25:24.458
that would steer this case
in a completely different direction.

00:25:26.625 --> 00:25:29.041
We had spent weeks investigating.

00:25:30.958 --> 00:25:32.083
Then we find out that

00:25:32.125 --> 00:25:34.250
this whole business
is in dispute.

00:25:36.083 --> 00:25:39.250
Steve was the original owner
of the Insectarium.

00:25:40.125 --> 00:25:43.791
Him and Mr. Cambridge
had been involved in civil proceedings

00:25:43.875 --> 00:25:46.875
in the courts about ownership and money

00:25:46.958 --> 00:25:48.916
involving the Insectarium.

00:25:50.250 --> 00:25:53.666
I created the Insectarium, 1992.

00:25:54.208 --> 00:25:56.416
Twenty-eight years ago, you know?

00:25:56.500 --> 00:25:59.333
And everybody there knows
when I opened the Insectarium,

00:25:59.416 --> 00:26:01.583
John Cambridge
wasn't even born yet

00:26:01.625 --> 00:26:02.875
or maybe was one year old.

00:26:02.958 --> 00:26:04.791
John said he owned the company

00:26:04.833 --> 00:26:07.000
but, believe me,
that's my museum.

00:26:07.458 --> 00:26:10.416
Those are the kinds of things
we have to sift through.

00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:13.416
And obviously there
was something toxic there.

00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.583
I've always been a good guy.

00:26:16.250 --> 00:26:18.125
But I'm telling you, sometimes

00:26:18.208 --> 00:26:20.375
you don't think about what you're doing,

00:26:20.458 --> 00:26:21.666
you just do it.

00:26:26.583 --> 00:26:28.416
Hi. My name is Steve Kanya.

00:26:28.416 --> 00:26:29.333
I'm from Philadelphia.

00:26:29.458 --> 00:26:31.583
My product is the Pest Control Marker.

00:26:32.416 --> 00:26:34.333
It kills bugs.

00:26:34.416 --> 00:26:36.166
It can be applied

00:26:36.166 --> 00:26:37.041
to problem areas.

00:26:37.875 --> 00:26:39.458
In any investigation,

00:26:39.541 --> 00:26:42.291
it's important to have
a historical perspective

00:26:42.375 --> 00:26:43.708
of the location

00:26:43.750 --> 00:26:44.208
you're dealing with.

00:26:44.291 --> 00:26:45.541
Steve Kanya was
the original owner

00:26:45.541 --> 00:26:48.458
of the Insectarium.

00:26:49.083 --> 00:26:50.541
Director: And what
did Steve tell you

00:26:50.541 --> 00:26:51.666
when you interviewed him?

00:26:51.750 --> 00:26:54.208
Steve gave me
a long list of stories and histories

00:26:54.291 --> 00:26:56.500
with the Insectarium.

00:26:56.583 --> 00:26:59.625
I've been involved with
the pest control industry for 35 years.

00:26:59.708 --> 00:27:01.916
I was the first person
in the United States

00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.916
that opened up an insectarium.

00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:05.666
It's an insect museum.

00:27:06.708 --> 00:27:08.458
I know bugs.

00:27:08.541 --> 00:27:11.291
Let's bug off together!

00:27:19.750 --> 00:27:23.041
I started a business in January 1975.

00:27:23.375 --> 00:27:26.375
A pest control company
called Steve's Bug Off.

00:27:27.250 --> 00:27:29.166
Steve's Bug Off
was very well-known

00:27:29.250 --> 00:27:31.583
for identification of bugs.

00:27:31.666 --> 00:27:33.125
People would bring in bugs

00:27:33.166 --> 00:27:34.625
that they found in their homes

00:27:36.875 --> 00:27:37.583
and people would come in

00:27:37.625 --> 00:27:38.791
with bites all over them

00:27:38.791 --> 00:27:41.875
and expose their body parts to us,

00:27:41.958 --> 00:27:44.416
like, you know,
their bellies or breast, you know,

00:27:44.500 --> 00:27:45.791
and like, "Do you...
can you tell me

00:27:45.791 --> 00:27:47.291
what bit me here?"

00:27:47.375 --> 00:27:50.708
I'm like,
"No. I don't think so," you know?

00:27:52.458 --> 00:27:54.958
The technicians would bring bugs

00:27:55.041 --> 00:27:57.541
back to him for identification,

00:27:57.916 --> 00:28:00.875
and then he'd started
putting them in the window.

00:28:01.666 --> 00:28:03.375
We'd put whatever the catch of the day

00:28:03.416 --> 00:28:04.583
was in the front window.

00:28:05.583 --> 00:28:07.041
As a kid growing up,

00:28:07.125 --> 00:28:10.000
Steve had the exterminating company
Steve's Bug Off.

00:28:10.083 --> 00:28:12.000
And I remember we'd walk by it

00:28:12.083 --> 00:28:14.833
and he'd have displays in the window

00:28:14.916 --> 00:28:18.666
of different like cockroaches
and centipedes and things like that.

00:28:18.750 --> 00:28:19.833
And we always would all stop

00:28:19.875 --> 00:28:21.500
and like look in the window.

00:28:22.416 --> 00:28:24.125
So we have scorpion

00:28:24.166 --> 00:28:27.166
or we'd have some
kind of a rare spider.

00:28:28.250 --> 00:28:29.125
And all of a sudden,

00:28:29.166 --> 00:28:31.041
you hear a car pull
up, and I look up,

00:28:31.125 --> 00:28:32.333
and the children
would come and look

00:28:32.333 --> 00:28:33.541
what we had in the window.

00:28:33.541 --> 00:28:35.208
Twenty minutes
later, a half hour later,

00:28:35.208 --> 00:28:36.541
another car would pull up,

00:28:36.625 --> 00:28:38.083
get out, look what we had in the window.

00:28:38.125 --> 00:28:40.000
I said, "There's a need for this.

00:28:40.083 --> 00:28:41.500
I don't know what it is yet

00:28:41.541 --> 00:28:42.666
but there's a need for it."

00:28:43.791 --> 00:28:46.541
And that kind of
triggered something inside of us.

00:28:46.625 --> 00:28:49.041
You know what? We've
got something here.

00:28:49.041 --> 00:28:50.583
People need to see this.

00:28:50.958 --> 00:28:53.875
So to start drawing attention to us,

00:28:54.416 --> 00:28:56.208
we decided to have a cockroach contest.

00:28:56.291 --> 00:28:57.750
The latest on a story that has

00:28:57.833 --> 00:29:00.166
really been bugging
a lot of Philadelphians.

00:29:00.250 --> 00:29:02.083
Wanted dead or alive,

00:29:02.083 --> 00:29:03.916
the largest cockroach
in Philadelphia,

00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:05.666
$1000 reward.

00:29:06.291 --> 00:29:08.125
We partnered with the Philadelphia Zoo.

00:29:08.208 --> 00:29:10.875
And then when it started, the media pool

00:29:10.958 --> 00:29:13.166
was all taking pictures
and cameras and like,

00:29:13.250 --> 00:29:14.416
"Is this somebody
in the outskirts

00:29:14.458 --> 00:29:15.625
that is running for president?"

00:29:15.625 --> 00:29:17.250
No. It's the roach Olympics

00:29:17.291 --> 00:29:18.916
at the Philadelphia Zoo.

00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.750
So if you could
ever get that tape,

00:29:21.791 --> 00:29:22.708
that would be phenomenal.

00:29:27.166 --> 00:29:31.041
From Roxboro, #29, Brutus the Bruiser.

00:29:31.125 --> 00:29:34.875
From Hunting Park, #15, Bella Oz-Bug.

00:29:34.958 --> 00:29:38.333
From Mayfair, #6, Reginald the Roach.

00:29:39.333 --> 00:29:42.250
That's how the idea launched in my head.

00:29:42.333 --> 00:29:44.916
We're gonna open up an insect museum.

00:29:45.333 --> 00:29:46.916
He was known

00:29:46.916 --> 00:29:47.791
in the neighborhood,
and it grew.

00:29:47.875 --> 00:29:49.000
And then over the years,

00:29:49.041 --> 00:29:50.125
you would see stories about it

00:29:50.208 --> 00:29:51.708
featured on different TV shows

00:29:51.750 --> 00:29:54.291
or news spots.

00:29:55.208 --> 00:29:57.166
We were getting
a lot of attention from the media.

00:29:57.791 --> 00:29:59.583
I wanted to get
the most exposure

00:29:59.625 --> 00:30:01.833
to what we were
trying to accomplish.

00:30:01.916 --> 00:30:03.083
So who else do you go to?

00:30:03.166 --> 00:30:07.583
David Letterman!

00:30:07.666 --> 00:30:08.750
Folks, please say hello,

00:30:08.750 --> 00:30:10.208
all the way from Philadelphia?

00:30:10.291 --> 00:30:10.750
Yes.

00:30:10.791 --> 00:30:12.250
That's right. Bob Scalzetti.

00:30:12.333 --> 00:30:13.625
Hi, Bob. Nice to see you.

00:30:13.625 --> 00:30:14.708
Nice being here, Dave.

00:30:14.791 --> 00:30:16.541
And what I got here
is some hissing roaches.

00:30:16.625 --> 00:30:18.583
- Oh, Lord.
- These are, uh...

00:30:18.666 --> 00:30:20.625
Jiminy. Hoo!

00:30:20.708 --> 00:30:21.916
Now, do you wanna hold it?

00:30:21.958 --> 00:30:22.541
No. I don't wanna hold one.

00:30:22.583 --> 00:30:25.000
Okay. But what I have here

00:30:25.083 --> 00:30:26.625
is another large species.

00:30:26.708 --> 00:30:29.458
So you just got like
a dozen boxes full of cockroaches?

00:30:29.541 --> 00:30:30.083
No. This is...

00:30:30.083 --> 00:30:31.041
And that's your hobby?

00:30:31.041 --> 00:30:31.958
Well, no. Not...
well, this is only...

00:30:31.958 --> 00:30:33.791
we're trying to start a zoo.

00:30:33.875 --> 00:30:35.250
The first insect zoo in the world.

00:30:35.333 --> 00:30:36.708
Oh, there's a moneymaker.

00:30:36.708 --> 00:30:37.833
There's a gold mine, huh?

00:30:38.416 --> 00:30:39.333
Well, if only...

00:30:39.416 --> 00:30:41.416
The guy's sitting
on a mother lode there, isn't he?

00:30:44.125 --> 00:30:46.333
I trademarked the word insectarium.

00:30:46.416 --> 00:30:47.833
And there was never a bug museum

00:30:47.833 --> 00:30:51.000
or insectarium in
the United States.

00:30:51.083 --> 00:30:53.250
It was never ever done before.

00:30:53.333 --> 00:30:54.916
So then we worked

00:30:54.916 --> 00:30:56.500
on the building for years,

00:30:56.583 --> 00:30:57.791
putting it all together.

00:30:57.875 --> 00:31:00.166
Then we finally did the grand opening,

00:31:00.250 --> 00:31:02.958
January 15th, 1992.

00:31:03.625 --> 00:31:05.458
And I wanted a wow factor.

00:31:05.541 --> 00:31:07.208
You gotta have a wow factor.

00:31:07.291 --> 00:31:09.333
So in the middle of the second floor,

00:31:09.416 --> 00:31:13.125
we came up with an idea
of putting a roach kitchen.

00:31:14.208 --> 00:31:16.666
They had Plexiglas walls,

00:31:17.291 --> 00:31:19.541
I guess, maybe a little taller than I am.

00:31:19.625 --> 00:31:21.041
One side's a kitchen.

00:31:21.458 --> 00:31:24.166
The other side is a bathroom.

00:31:24.708 --> 00:31:27.500
Literally, just roaches.

00:31:27.583 --> 00:31:30.250
Hundreds of roaches just living in there.

00:31:30.916 --> 00:31:32.791
He received attention both

00:31:32.833 --> 00:31:34.291
from the local media and
the national media.

00:31:34.375 --> 00:31:35.125
Then all of a sudden,

00:31:35.166 --> 00:31:36.666
I'm getting phone calls

00:31:36.750 --> 00:31:37.958
from The Wall Street Journal.

00:31:38.625 --> 00:31:40.916
They wanted to send a photographer out.

00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.125
Then we get phone calls

00:31:43.166 --> 00:31:44.166
from the Inquirer,
The Daily News.

00:31:44.250 --> 00:31:45.166
Everybody started...

00:31:45.166 --> 00:31:46.500
wanna come in and do a story.

00:31:46.583 --> 00:31:48.000
Next thing you know,

00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.416
CNN's coming in,
with Jeanne Moos.

00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:51.083
Are there any crawling on me?

00:31:51.166 --> 00:31:52.583
People loved it.

00:31:52.666 --> 00:31:54.083
I mean, literally loved it.

00:31:55.458 --> 00:31:58.666
Steve's Bug Off
was a very successful business.

00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:00.333
At one time, we had over

00:32:00.333 --> 00:32:04.291
a thousand clients. Well over.

00:32:07.958 --> 00:32:10.958
So now the Insectarium

00:32:11.041 --> 00:32:13.083
has been going from 1992.

00:32:13.166 --> 00:32:14.250
It's old.

00:32:14.291 --> 00:32:15.708
Meaning that
everybody knows about it

00:32:15.791 --> 00:32:18.625
but there's no more pizazz with it.

00:32:20.166 --> 00:32:22.875
I don't know why but it did.

00:32:22.958 --> 00:32:24.875
It started to dwindle down.

00:32:24.958 --> 00:32:26.166
Do you like roaches?

00:32:26.166 --> 00:32:27.375
I love roaches.

00:32:27.458 --> 00:32:29.208
Ew, man. That's nasty.

00:32:30.458 --> 00:32:32.333
Steve, over the years,

00:32:32.375 --> 00:32:33.041
is well-intentioned

00:32:33.125 --> 00:32:35.708
in his pursuit of the Insectarium.

00:32:35.791 --> 00:32:38.083
But sometimes we grow a business

00:32:38.125 --> 00:32:39.750
and we don't grow with it.

00:32:39.833 --> 00:32:42.250
And I think that's probably the case here.

00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.291
When I created the Insectarium
28 years ago,

00:32:46.791 --> 00:32:48.208
okay... what was I?

00:32:48.208 --> 00:32:49.458
In my 30s? Late 30s?

00:32:49.541 --> 00:32:50.708
I had a lot of energy.

00:32:50.791 --> 00:32:52.000
I could do everything.

00:32:52.041 --> 00:32:53.291
Work 24 hours a day.

00:32:54.458 --> 00:32:56.750
But I can't do it today.

00:32:56.833 --> 00:32:57.875
Mother Nature says,

00:32:57.916 --> 00:32:59.375
"Uh, you gotta slow
down a little bit."

00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:02.250
I need a younger person

00:33:02.250 --> 00:33:04.000
that had a lot of energy

00:33:04.250 --> 00:33:06.583
and maybe has some good ideas.

00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:11.250
John Cambridge was doing an internship

00:33:11.333 --> 00:33:13.916
with New Jersey Department of Agriculture,

00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:16.666
and he visited the Insectarium.

00:33:17.083 --> 00:33:18.166
He was very knowledgeable.

00:33:18.250 --> 00:33:20.958
I guess he's studying etymology, you know?

00:33:21.916 --> 00:33:22.791
Looked like...

00:33:22.833 --> 00:33:23.875
that he sincerely
wanted to help.

00:33:24.791 --> 00:33:26.291
And he was young.

00:33:26.416 --> 00:33:29.916
He's had that thing
that I don't have anymore. Youth.

00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.833
And John came in
with the idea that he would help out

00:33:33.916 --> 00:33:35.416
and he just needed
a thousand dollars'

00:33:35.416 --> 00:33:37.875
worth of expenses a month.

00:33:37.958 --> 00:33:39.291
He'd bring in people.

00:33:39.375 --> 00:33:41.375
And that's how John
got his foot in the door.

00:33:42.958 --> 00:33:44.625
I believed that he was here to help,

00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:47.375
because I believe in people.

00:33:48.666 --> 00:33:50.208
And he wasn't.

00:33:50.916 --> 00:33:53.875
I made the biggest mistake
in my entire life,

00:33:53.958 --> 00:33:55.916
getting involved with John.

00:34:03.125 --> 00:34:05.083
One day, I come in,

00:34:06.083 --> 00:34:07.791
my office is empty.

00:34:08.541 --> 00:34:11.333
Everything from my office
was in the dumpster.

00:34:12.458 --> 00:34:14.375
Steve: Chrissy, where's all my stuff at?

00:34:14.458 --> 00:34:16.166
John: Your stuff's in the back.

00:34:16.250 --> 00:34:17.125
Chrissy: By the back door,

00:34:17.166 --> 00:34:18.833
by the back exit.
Through the pavilion.

00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.791
It turns out that he was conceiving a plan

00:34:23.875 --> 00:34:26.458
to take the business from me,

00:34:26.541 --> 00:34:29.250
and that's what he end up doing.

00:34:29.750 --> 00:34:32.000
He said he was the owner.

00:34:32.083 --> 00:34:33.583
And for me to get out,

00:34:33.583 --> 00:34:34.708
that I was trespassing.

00:34:35.583 --> 00:34:37.458
John: You are being removed
from this facility

00:34:37.541 --> 00:34:39.500
and from any administrative duties.

00:34:41.708 --> 00:34:43.666
John: Call the police again.

00:34:44.375 --> 00:34:46.375
He had Chrissy
call the 911 and said

00:34:46.375 --> 00:34:48.666
that there was a
trespasser in there,

00:34:48.750 --> 00:34:49.750
which... meaning me.

00:34:49.833 --> 00:34:51.875
You don't talk to him.

00:34:51.916 --> 00:34:53.541
You don't talk to him, okay?

00:34:53.625 --> 00:34:55.208
Let's do it that way.

00:34:55.291 --> 00:34:57.250
Everything goes through
your attorneys, okay?

00:34:57.333 --> 00:34:57.791
Okay.

00:34:57.833 --> 00:34:58.541
Thank you, sir.

00:34:58.625 --> 00:34:59.291
Have a good day.

00:34:59.291 --> 00:35:00.583
Thank you very much, officer.

00:35:01.833 --> 00:35:03.666
Steve:
I hope you got a good criminal attorney.

00:35:07.375 --> 00:35:10.166
My entire life, he's the only person

00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:12.541
that I actually hate.

00:35:16.041 --> 00:35:18.125
After Steve was interviewed,

00:35:18.208 --> 00:35:19.708
this investigation turned in...

00:35:19.750 --> 00:35:21.666
kind of into a
secondary investigation.

00:35:21.750 --> 00:35:24.125
I thought maybe we were even leaning
more towards an arrest

00:35:24.208 --> 00:35:26.458
on part of the business practices,

00:35:26.541 --> 00:35:28.125
between the two business partners.

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.166
But it turns out, once we got

00:35:31.208 --> 00:35:32.833
deeper into that investigation,

00:35:34.416 --> 00:35:36.625
it was just filled with twists and turns.

00:35:47.250 --> 00:35:49.208
I didn't come here to try
and take over the museum.

00:35:49.250 --> 00:35:51.250
All he had to do was not * me.

00:35:52.583 --> 00:35:54.791
The whole building
had over a million dollars

00:35:54.875 --> 00:35:55.958
of back taxes, liens,

00:35:55.958 --> 00:35:56.750
and judgments on it,

00:35:56.833 --> 00:35:58.375
which now was my problem.

00:35:58.458 --> 00:36:00.000
If this was an inside job,

00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.250
it has to be employees

00:36:01.333 --> 00:36:02.500
that were actively involved

00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:04.791
in trading in
bugs, selling bugs.

00:36:04.875 --> 00:36:07.583
People don't realize
how widespread

00:36:07.583 --> 00:36:08.625
the illegal wildlife trade is.

00:36:08.708 --> 00:36:10.375
He had international contacts.

00:36:10.458 --> 00:36:11.916
The fact that he quit right after the heist

00:36:11.958 --> 00:36:13.416
set off some bells.

00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:14.375
And I said,

00:36:14.416 --> 00:36:15.375
"Look, you can't do this.

00:36:15.416 --> 00:36:16.416
You're gonna get caught."