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- Right now on "Adam
Eats the 80s,"

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we're off to the magical place

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where people actually hung
out with their friends

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face to face in
the 80s, the mall.

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We're not shopping
at Walden Books

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or getting music at
Tape World in Sam Goody.

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We're heading for
the food court.

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And today I visit the
very first location

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of one of the most iconic
food court restaurants

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in the 80s.

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To meet the man responsible
for creating the dish

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that changed the Chinese
food game in America,

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and to learn his secrets.

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That's the version
I remember, baby.

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Then you didn't need GPS to
find this treat in the mall.

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All you had to do
was follow your nose.

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Now I'll see how this
sweet treat got its start.

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I don't know any other
baked treat that feels

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like a back rub when you eat it.

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Plus I'm putting an
iconic 80s invention

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to the test to try to find
out why it made a killing.

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Wow!

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I'm on the hunt to relive an
extraordinary decade for food,

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the 1980s.

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I wish I could tell
my seven year old self

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that I would be standing
here 40 years later.

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It's an era of iconic
hits and misses.

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Some have disappeared, but

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they can still be found

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if you know where to look.

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This is awesome.

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Why wouldn't you
continue making it?

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Join me, Adam Richmond, as

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we get a long lost taste

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of the icons and the forgotten.

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Oh, talk about smell.

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Because food is my time machine

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and I've been
waiting my whole life

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I've literally drooling.

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For one more bite.

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In 1987, over 1/2 of
all retail dollars spent

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in the US were spent at a mall.

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Just 12 years earlier,
it was only 1/3.

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And at that time, the mall
was way more than just retail.

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You might have
played Sega's Outrun,

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1987's highest grossing
game at the arcade.

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Maybe you went on a date to
see "Beverly Hills Cop 2,"

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top grossing movie of
the year at the theater.

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And if you were like me,

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you probably tried a new
food at the food court.

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You could do pizza, Mexican,
or skip straight to dessert

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with a sweet treat.

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One restaurant wanted
to top them all

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by giving out free samples
of its Far East flavors.

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And in the 80s,

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they invented a dish that's
since become a staple

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of Chinese-American cuisine.

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That restaurant is Panda Express

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and their iconic creation
is orange chicken.

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Today I'm visiting the
very first Panda Express

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to find out how
their orange chicken

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created a restaurant empire.

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I'm meeting, and I can't
believe I'm saying this,

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the creator of orange chicken,
legendary chef Andy Kao.

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It's so fun to speak
to a man so steeped

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in Chinese cuisine,
and I'm like,

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"You've changed
American dining, sir."

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- Thank you, thank you.

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- In 1987, Chef
Andy Kao was tasked

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with creating new dishes for
a Panda Express in Hawaii.

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He decided to try a version
of a recipe handed down

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from the father of the
Panda Express founder

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which blended local
citrus flavors

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with a slightly
spicy fried chicken.

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How many versions of
orange chicken were there

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before we got the iconic
Chef Andy Kao drops the mic

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and changes the dining
landscape forever?

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- Can you take me through the
genesis of the three versions

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that you made prior
to the version in 1987

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that you perfected for Hawaii?

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- Yeah.

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- Some of the earliest
Chinese food in America

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showed up in San
Francisco in 1849

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as Chinese immigrants
flocked to California

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during the Gold Rush.

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At the time, Chinese
restaurants became known

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as Chop Suey houses for

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their most popular dish.

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And because of the Chinese
Exclusion Act in 1882

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which barred Chinese laborers
from immigrating into the US,

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the cuisine didn't change
drastically for over 100 years.

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In 1965, a new law did
away with the restrictions

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and opened the door to a new
wave of Chinese immigrants.

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As a new rush of Asian
immigrants came in,

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they brought new influences
to Chinese food in America.

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Just eight years later,
for example, Andrew Cherng

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and his father Ming-Tsai
Cherng opened the Panda Inn

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in Pasadena, California.

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Their new Asian
flavors were evolved

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from traditional Cantonese
dishes like pork buns

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and wonton soup, which
laid the groundwork

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for their first mall
expansion, Panda Express.

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- Okay. So what do we have?

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What do you put in
the ladle right there?

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- Right.

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- It smells so ridiculously
good in this kitchen.

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- Get your nose ready.

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- Has anyone even like
seen these versions

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of your orange
chicken since the 80s?

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- I'm super stoked to get
an ultra exclusive tasting

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of these three original
recipes that led

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to 1987's fourth
and final version

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that made the company
a global powerhouse.

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The shopping mall
is an American icon.

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But the idea of being able
to buy a variety of goods

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all in one place
isn't exactly new.

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Ancient Romans did
it at the forum.

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Their market was also a place

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for people to gather and
featured rows of open air shops

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selling everything
from bread to wine.

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Fast forward to the 20th century

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when the 80s mall food
court was sometimes

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the only taste of
international cuisine available

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in certain parts of the country.

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In 1987, Chef Andy Kao
created orange chicken

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to specifically appeal
to the American palette.

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The recipe went through
three major iterations

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before he finally hit
the final and now classic

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that is still used today.

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Now more than a quarter
million people order it

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at Panda Express every day.

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And while it's not
a traditional dish

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you'd find 50
years ago in China,

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today it's available
just about everywhere.

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And not just Panda Express.

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From the school cafeteria
to the frozen food section

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at your local supermarket.

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So these three versions
appeared at Panda Inn

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and I need to pick which
order they came in.

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I have the best job ever.

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This is the version
with the bone in it.

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There's a nice tingle to it

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but there's also a
really bright sweet note

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without it getting too
like sugary candy sweet.

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It's awesome.

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All right.

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Still delicious though.

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It's a much more subtle
flavor, so I'm thinking

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that this one definitely
comes before that one.

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So crispy, so good,

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sweeter than the other two.

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The top note in that is orange.

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So if I had to make a
prediction for order,

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I would say one
then two then three.

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Yeah.
- You got it correct.

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I go to the showcase showdown.

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Wow. This is awesome.

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The orange chicken recipe
evolved to be sweeter

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and spicier and the
actual chicken got cut

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into smaller pieces and was
eventually served boneless.

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But Panda Express was not
the only 80s restaurant

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creating a boneless
chicken menu item.

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You have to remember
that in the 80s,

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most chicken was sold whole

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while today it's estimated
that 90% of the chicken sold

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in the US has been cut into
pieces, cutlets or nuggets.

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McDonald's took a cue

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from the first ever
dietary guidelines released

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by the government
that warned against

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over consumption of red meat

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and developed a process
for mass production

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of deboned chicken and
introduced the McNugget in 1983.

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It was an immediate hit.

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The McNuggets
contributed to a 12% bump

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leading to $8 billion in sales
for McDonald's that year.

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And that love of
McNuggets has not waned.

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Today McDonalds sells an
average of 54 million pounds

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of chicken every month.

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To have orange chicken
being served and cooked

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by the man who created it.

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- Whoa.
- That's like having pizza

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from the guy who created pizza.

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There are some things
that when you taste them,

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when you smell them, they
bring you right back there.

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- Yeah.
- And this is one of them.

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Chef Kao's final recipe
for orange chicken proved

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to be the winner.

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And it was so popular, it
helped Panda Express expand

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to nearly 2200 stores
around the world today.

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The food court concept
also got a bump.

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By the early 90s, colleges,
airports, and hospitals

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all started converting
their eating areas

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to offer more well
known food options,

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just like at the mall.

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That's the version
I remember, baby.

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For many teens
growing up in the 80s

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the mall wasn't just
a place with stores.

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It was where life happened.

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It's where many had their
first jobs, their first date,

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and for some, maybe even
saw their first concert.

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In 1987, the bins at
Record World, Colony Music,

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and Sam Goody were filled
with albums by teen stars

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like Debbie Gibson and
New Kids on the Block

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and a rising 15 year old
pop star named Tiffany

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took her music
straight to the mall

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and kicked off her
very first tour

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at the Bergen Mall in
Paramus, New Jersey.

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For mom and dad, mall
entertainment was most likely

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a live demonstration of some
newfangled must have gadget

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like the Juiceman Juicer.

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- So I drink this
to your good health.

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- Juiceman Juicers outsold

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all other small
kitchen appliances,

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amassing $300 million in sales.

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My friends and I used
to do impressions

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of this guy all the time.

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He used to go,
"It's the enzymes.

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It's the life force."

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One of the big things
Jay used to do was

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he would hand out a carrot
to someone in the audience

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and he'd go, "Squeeze it.

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Squeeze it," to try
to get juice out.

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You can't milk a carrot.

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Then he would put it
through the juicer.

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Let's just see how
much juice we can get.

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Oh, there we go.

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So that's one carrot's
worth of juice.

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As ridiculous as that may be,

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the fact that this is still
working, I'm very impressed.

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So...

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But it took a lot of
carrots to get just one cup.

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So with 16 carrots, we still
haven't gotten the full glass

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of juice.
Not exactly practical

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but what better way was
there to refresh yourself

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after your Jane
Fonda workout tape

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than to juice your
own fruits and veggies

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with the Juiceman Juicer?

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Mmm. Tastes like regret.

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When I think back to
hanging out at the mall

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as a kid in the 80s,

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some of my fondest
memories aren't just girls

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with big hair and the Bo
Jackson cross trainers I wore

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to impress them.

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It was the sights, the sounds
and of course the smells

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of the food court.

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And for many, one
nostalgic smell

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in particular stands out
sweeter than the crowd.

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Cinnamon buns have existed
since the 18th century

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but they were always
just another item

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in your baker's display
case until Cinnabon

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brought them front and center.

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This magical creation was born
in Washington's SeaTac Mall

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in 1985.

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Once that smell hit the mall

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and the shoppers
followed their noses,

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a franchise was born.

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So today I'm meeting
with co-founder

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of Cinnabon, Greg Komen.

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Take me back to the 80s.

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What was Cinnabon
like in the 80s?

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- This was the genius of
my father, Rich Komen.

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He saw an opportunity in the
malls with display baking

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so that the guests
could come and see all

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of the action going on
from mixing to rolling.

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- How many versions were
created before you arrived

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at these glorious
numbers behind me?

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- Well, there were
hundreds and hundreds

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trying to get the various
textures in dough.

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- In 1985, hundreds of
versions were tested

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and rejected by the co-founder
himself, Rich Komen.

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- The problem that we are
running into was the filling,

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the cinnamon.
- Aha.

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That became a very
challenging part

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of the development phase.

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Every thing about
the 80s was big

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and it was all on
display at the mall.

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Big hair, oversized blazers
with big shoulder pads,

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and even big buns.

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I'm at the Mall of America
where Greg Coleman is spilling

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all the secrets from the 80s

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when he created a softball
sized cinnamon roll,

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but before they could
open to the public,

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Cinnabon had some challenges
with their recipe.

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Something had to change.

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- We found that
changing the cinnamon

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did make a radical difference
in the overall flavor.

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- Yeah.
- And the texture.

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- Before they settled
on their final recipe.

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The bakers behind
Cinnabon soon discovered

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that all cinnamon
was not created equal

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and finding the exact one

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that would set their
Cinnabon apart from any

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and all competition

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took a lot of testing.

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To learn more about
the secret cinnamon

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that made Cinnabon
a household name,

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I'm joined by Executive
Chef Jennifer Holwill.

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- So we're gonna do a
little experiment here

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to show you what it is
really doing to the inside

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of that cinnamon roll.

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- Okay.

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- We've got the Makara
cinnamon versus kind

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of the grocery store cinnamon.

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And I will let you
take that little spoon,

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you can stir yours.

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- Okay. Thank you, Chef.
- I'll stir mine.

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My Makara is getting thick
and it's gonna get gooey here.

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- We just mixed the
same amount of water

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and it's powder on top still.

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It has a distinct sludge
like characteristic

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by comparison to yours.

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- Yeah and mine
continues to thicken.

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- When the folks at
Cinnabon say Makara,

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what exactly do they mean?

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While the majority of true
cinnamon is found in Sri Lanka,

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this secret cinnamon comes
from the mountains of Indonesia

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high in west Sumatra
and was turned

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into a proprietary blend
by Cinnabon called Makara.

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It's high oil content helps give

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that special consistency
and incomparable taste.

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And the smell was
just as irresistible

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and good for business

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as hungry shoppers in
search of the scent

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found themselves at
the Cinnabon counter

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ready for a taste.

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- So that's the magic
behind the Makara

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and what makes
Cinnabon cinnamon rolls

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so ooey, gooey and
delicious inside.

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- But there was one
thing originally added

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that might have soured
Cinnabon's success.

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Raisins.

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Adding raisins to the role
dates back to the 19th century

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when German settlers in
Philadelphia brought over

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a raisin filled version,
which be came known

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as Philadelphia sticky buns.

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In the 80s, raisins were
common in cinnamon rolls

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prompting the
Coleman's inclusion.

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But Greg explains how a
phone call with his father

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changed Cinnabon forever.

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- All of a sudden the
phone rings in the bakery.

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"Welcome to Cinnabon.

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This Greg, can I help you?"

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"Greg, it's your father.

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There's no raisins in
our cinnamon rolls."

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And I said, "Oh, I took them out

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because 20% of the
people in the mall

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were just walking
away when I told 'em

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there were raisins in it.

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So I just took 'em out."

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And he goes, "Good
decision" and hung up.

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Deciding to
lose raisins was huge.

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And that was the last change
to the bun they ever made.

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This recipe has not
changed since the 80s.

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All that deliciousness caused
the original SeaTac location

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to explode in 1985 based
off of the simple strength

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of their classic role,

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Cinnabon was able to expand
into more than 1200 bakeries

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in over 50 countries all
over the world today.

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Cinnabon also realized
that free samples

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kept customers
coming back for more.

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Now that I've learned the
secret to their cinnamon,

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it's time to put
it on the dough.

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We start the roll by
a little fold up on the top,

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looking good.

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Don't be afraid to stretch it.

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Our guests know it's authentic

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cause they see it being made
right in front of 'em

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Getting to watch
these rolls get made front

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and center is a big
part of the draw.

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Okay. Oh, the smell is insane.

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Isn't that beautiful?

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- Do you have to wait a
certain amount of time?

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- Heck no, you don't have to
wait a certain amount of time.

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- Oh, lordy, lordy.

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- Let's eat.

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How about this one right here?

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Watch that.

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Isn't that
a thing of beauty?

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Will you stop?

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- Yeah.
- Wow. Y'all just better

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keep rolling.

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I'm not cutting
into a damn thing.

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Oh my God.

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As you get towards the center,

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you get that moist
chewy, gooey pliability

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that's almost like
mochi or cotton candy,

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but the outside almost
is like a brioche.

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There's like this
wonderful chewiness

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and the Makara cinnamon.

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And then like when you
get to the frosting,

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it's just like kind of unfair.

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No one element overpowers it

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and that's kind of what makes
it this iconic Cinnabon.

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This is how you travel
back in time to the 80s.

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Cinnabon proved
that one ingredient

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can make all the difference.

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And in their case, it's
led to massive success.

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Nostalgic smells and
a taste of our past,

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malls gave us so
much joy in the 80s

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whether it was the
sweet and spicy crunch

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of a free sample of orange
chicken from Panda Express,

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or maybe inspiration
from a juicer demo

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promising you can juice your
way to a healthy new life

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or the alluring and oh so
tempting smell of Cinnabons

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drifting through the air.

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In the 80s, anything and
everything that could happen

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seemed to happen at the mall.